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I doubt this. This doesn't flow well with the context of things like Excalibur. CM3 - "Excalibur converts the mana of the wielder into light, and as the sword is swung, the light is released from the tip of the blade like a laser beam and destroys everything in its path."
"Excalibur is classified as an ‘Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm” due to its magnitude and destructive power."
Stay Night profile- " To an observer, it looks like a giant beam of light, but it's target point is the tip. It is the 'ultimate slash' that that cuts through everything in the 'area' the light goes through. Its enormous power heats space around the tip, and as a result, is interpreted as a wave of light that mows through the earth. "
If anti-fortress is because of area, why distinguish that Excalibur is only considered anti-fortress because of its magnitude while simply being a hyper-focused attack rather than anti-army if they were interchangeable?
Also, Excalibur Galatine. "Unlike Excalibur's centralized attack, Galatine is a broad wave, radiation-type attack that completely annihilates the enemy army."
Anti-fortress is greater energy than anti-army fundamentally. It's anti-country that might just be anti-army level of energy, but wider destructive range. That is, unless Balmung VS Brhamastra Kundala was just BS.
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I doubt this. This doesn't flow well with the context of things like Excalibur. CM3 - "Excalibur converts the mana of the wielder into light, and as the sword is swung, the light is released from the tip of the blade like a laser beam and destroys everything in its path."
"Excalibur is classified as an ‘Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm” due to its magnitude and destructive power."
Stay Night profile- " To an observer, it looks like a giant beam of light, but it's target point is the tip. It is the 'ultimate slash' that that cuts through everything in the 'area' the light goes through. Its enormous power heats space around the tip, and as a result, is interpreted as a wave of light that mows through the earth. "
If anti-fortress is because of area, why distinguish that Excalibur is only considered anti-fortress because of its magnitude while simply being a hyper-focused attack rather than anti-army if they were interchangeable?
Also, Excalibur Galatine. "Unlike Excalibur's centralized attack, Galatine is a broad wave, radiation-type attack that completely annihilates the enemy army."
Anti-fortress is greater energy than anti-army fundamentally. It's anti-country that might just be anti-army level of energy, but wider destructive range. That is, unless Balmung VS Brhamastra Kundala was just BS.[/QUOTE]
Oh please, it's not like we haven't gotten multiple classes of the same servant before in FGO. Give it time. It's probably going to be a thing.
Anti fortress is the kind that works best against a fortress, anti army's best against loads of fragile humans. It really is that simple.
Yes
Ignoring the giant, immortal, really fast goalkeep that is going to be blocking all of that.
Weakest version of Adam: survives Clarent and therefore Brahmastra which has the same rank. Cosmo is a blunt attack we kmow nothing about and havs no reason to think that it is above Clarent given that both are A rank. Vasaki Shakti is equal to one Balmung + 1 CS, which should be inferior to Balmung + Clarent, which is insufficient to kill the weakest version of him without getting him off fhe ground first.
Regular Garden beams dont beat out NPs. The absolute strongest beam that thr Gardens can produce at their full power is that of an A rank NP, which cant kill Adam either.
And again, Adam can also strike back with the roar or throw rocks
Wow, Adam is going to be goalkeeping? I mean he can try, but he's not going to be doing it for a while like you seem to think.
I mean equating Clarent and Brahmastra without any reasoning other than same Rank is hardly anything meaningful. Let alone ignoring that it's not like everyone on Red is taking turns firing AOE NPs/lasers.
I mean good for Adam? But not that good if it means everyone around him dies or is practically useless.
So still making up contrived scenarios for Black to win, which is hardly anything new at this stage.
>Vasaki Shakti is equal to one Balmung + 1 CS, which should be inferior to Balmung + Clarent, which is insufficient to kill the weakest version of him without getting him off fhe ground first.
Except we cannot compare CS Balmung and Balmung+Clarent. We do not know the power of the CS boost, and it is possible that it boosted the Balming to way above Clarent. And VS would still have killed him, and even though Kosmos was deployed, it still got destroyed from the same VS that had clashed with Balmung.
>It is said that “a fifteen-meter-sized giant could be easily defeated by even a Servant with average C rank stats.
The reason Jeanne and the others were so frantic against the giant when it was still fifteen meters tall is because they could tell that the speed of its growth was extraordinary, and if their response had been even a bit slower, the giant would have grown to thirty meters and displayed even harsher resistance.
Golem at the start will be only 15 meter tall. If Team Black wait for it to increase it size, Tram Red could easily kill them as they are short of a tank. If Team Black deploy it too early, then even Gardens could blast it once, given that even a C rank servant can beat it.
Also, even if its 1000 m,
>one at the size of a thousand meters would be impossible to kill without a group of first-rate Servant.
And Team Red consists of a Team of first rate servants, which means killing it would be possible, even by chance it was 1000m.
>Cosmo is a blunt attack we kmow nothing about and havs no reason to think that it is above Clarent given that both are A rank.
We do know something about Kosmos. It can block even EX rank NP that Balmung could not (even though it got destroyed due to sheer power). It is a divine construct made by Hephaestus, and most divine constructs are generally stronger than non divine constructs.
>Weakest version of Adam: survives Clarent and therefore Brahmastra which has the same rank.
Scroll to the posts at the top and you will se people stating that Anti Fortress and Anti Country are stronger than Anti Army, which is Clarent. Not to say Clarent is weak but Brahmasthra could be stronger.
>Vasaki Shakti is equal to one Balmung + 1 CS, which should be inferior to Balmung + Clarent, which is insufficient to kill the weakest version of him without getting him off fhe ground first.
Are you seriously stating that VS cannot kill Adam? It is able to kill Sefar, a being magnitude times stronger than Adam. Its anti divine, because it kills whatever is in front of it. Yeah, no chance Adam can survive VS even if its 1000m long with feet on the ground.
>And again, Adam can also strike back with the roar or throw rocks.
So Garden Laser Beams are not comparable to NPs, but Adam's rocks and roars are?
Garden lasers may be comparable to NPs, since an A+ rank attack is comparable to a C rank NP, but they wont be strong enough.
"Thrown rocks can be as strong as NPs?"Dracula's thrown stakes are just from sheer force and Achilles could manage a punch on that level."
"a fifteen-meter-sized giant could be easily defeated by even a Servant with average C rank stats."
You tell me how tall it was when it was beating the shit out of the team of Servants.
This is why word of god that goes against the actual depicted events in the story is meaningless
Soooo... how about Extra Vlad vs. King Hassan (non-Grand of course)? A.K.A can conceptual/historical/fame bullshittery make up for the difference in parameters and skill?
Does King Hassan count as a evil dude by Extra Vlad standards?
would be pretty nasty to get staked in a deus vult.
As is KH is strong enough to duel a knight class but he doesn’t really have a win the battle or do big damage trump card so I would say Vlad has the advantage in a straight on fight for sure.
KH's sword has a chance to instakill with just a scratch. He's also the dude who strolled into Ozy's temple complex, beheaded him, and strolled right out before Ozy could think of counterattacking.
Also Extra Vlad doesn't really seem too strong. I'd give Romania Vlad a shot at winning, but frankly, a Vlad who gets beaten by Tamamo, Nero and/or Emiya doesn't really have a chance against a dude who qualifies for a Grand position, even if that position is just the Assassin.
TBF King Hassan did all that as Grand Assassin, he was operating above normal Servants by default.
And I don't know that any of the losses against Hakuno/Hakunon should be counted either, this is the guy that statistically should have lost every fight but won because they have the strongest protag modifier ever (eg: somehow having Tama/Nero/Mumei beat freaking Saver).
second best protag modifier. dont forget taiga brought ryougi up to significantly higher then saver level without even really trying.
as a grand.
By that logic Gawain isn’t very strong either. That said it’s not like they won against Saver in power. The fight is pretty much convincing Saver that they should win in a way after all.Quote:
Also Extra Vlad doesn't really seem too strong. I'd give Romania Vlad a shot at winning, but frankly, a Vlad who gets beaten by Tamamo, Nero and/or Emiya doesn't really have a chance against a dude who qualifies for a Grand position, even if that position is just the Assassin.
Um he’s got good solid stats, he’s got a solid NP that does damage and messes up people it’s compatible against and his skills are pretty good too. Disengage Batcon is weird but it’s a good skill either way. Military tactics is alright since his NP is anti-army.
anyway a instant death chance on a scratch is nice but I wouldn’t say it’s at all reliable and more of a lucky just maybeanyway a instant death chance on a scratch is nice but I wouldn’t say it’s at all reliable and more of a lucky just maybe thing.
King Hassan said his techniques hadn't decreased at all even after losing his grand status.
Technique isn't why Grands are busted though. It's their superior containers and magical energy that surpasses dragons and considered god-level. "Solomon" outright said the ranks between him and Mordred aren't so different, and the reason why he did so well is because of his grand abilities.
I'm talking about his assassination techniques. Why would grand buffs help him with skill-related qualities? He won't manhandle Gawain in CQC, but losing power won't stop him from Snaking into Ozy's territory and slicing his head off.
Would it? I mean you can't really extrapolate down from his Grand showings and say that not being a Grand here means nothing essentially in terms of his capabilities.
It does when he explicitly said his techniques(skill) aren't nerfed.
Unless you're telling me he was lying.Quote:
King Hassan:
I accept.
From now on, my name and my sword - they have became joined with you in destiny.
Even though the Grand position was given up as a farewell gift to the primordial sea, my arts of assassination has not decreased in any way.
Master. The sword that announces death is yours to be used freely.
... I wish that you may wield it until the end of days.
His skills might not have degraded, but maybe he'd find it harder to pull those stunts without all that Grand juice boosting his parameters and stuff.