Super Tsukihime Remake Spoiler Thread

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But if she does not exist, Arc should be the default "brain" in Fate timelines imo.

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Hard to say anything definitive about Fate since the picture on CM, DAA and TA aren't even fully clear for Tsuki yet.

Where did we get the info on Lululily A. Paranodahlia?

DA list had a name readable up to "Lululily A. Pa" and the bits and pieces of other names show that this Pa is the only possible place where Paranodahlia can fit.

Roa in Melty mentioned a Paranodahlia could undo his death even after Shiki stabbed his dot.

DA Noel's supers are named Paranodahlia and Rozay-en.

That's all so far.

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Originally Posted by Petrikow

Reflections on A:E profile

• Interesting that they chose to spell Archetype:EARTH with Katakana. I hardly think it means much of anything, but it breaks with previous examples.
• 原初の一 (Original One): This is actually even how A:E introduces herself when summoned ("you may call me the Original One..."). More so than ever, is this term relevant, given how much it shows up in Tsukihime remake. That said, it's fairly old. It first showed up in Kagetsu Tohya to refer to Crimson Moon. As we'll see later, it also has a strong connection with her status as an Ultimate One, which is interesting. That said, Ultimate One has showed up as a reading to other terms (極限の単独種 for ORT), so using it as a translation will probably just confuse things.
• ７周年記念のスペシャルゲスト (Special Guest for 7th Anniversary): Since this is in her profile it might seem appropriate to write her off as just some guest character (i.e, won't have a plot role). That said, I'm not entirely convinced. It feels awfully odd to headline her as A:E rather than Arc if fanservice was the purpose here, but who knows.
• Future/Present/Past: Describes Arcueid's different ascensions as manifestations of time periods. The 1st and 2nd are A:E and Arc respectively, but the 3rd is sort of new. It actually reminds of of Eco-Arc from TsukiRE (the way she talks, mostly), but even so it feels mostly like a fanservice kind of thing. Speaking of which, she has a sword in this Ascension. It might be reasonable to speculate that this is Crimson Moon's Knight Arm, 'REAL OF THE WORLD', but there's no hard confirmation.
• Three years after Tsukihime: For some reason, this 'present' Arc is actually from quite some time after the events of 'a certain route' in TsukiRE. It's hard to tell exactly which one, since Arc loves Shiki in both of them. I briefly considered if this was supposed to be a reference to the mythical "Arc True", which Nasu has hinted at in the 4gamer interview, but it does specify from "a piece of blue glass moon", so maybe not? Speaking of which, her Bond CE actually sheds light on the 'Refrain' situation. It describes Arcueid going back to her castle (which she does in both routes, btw), and then turning into a flower (what). In this state, she dreams of the events she just experienced, reflecting on them and trying to make sure that Shiki still remembers her. This appears to be why Shiki sees these weird vision in TsukiRE. Him and Arc are 'dreaming and reflecting' together. Specifically, this only occurs in scenes common to every route (first scene and Day 2), so I wonder if Arc True happens, these visions are going to continue there. Would make sense if this Arc really is the result of that route. Not something I feel super confident about, but it's an intriguing possibility.
• Her 3 personalities: Interesting how her 2nd Ascensions is described as introverted. I suppose I never really thought about it, but that could be an accurate assessment. Funny how each of them have a variation on "funny x". Was that MBAACC joke really that great?
• Asc1/3 fighting style: This line about how she normally fights by conjuring and mixing elements together is notable if only because it showed up in MBAACC before. Back then as now I think it refers to the way she shows light beams and stuff. Seems to be a natural part of how elementals fight, perhaps even similar to the usage of sacraments that fairies display.
• Ultimate One: Coming back to 'Original One', here it is mentioned in parentheses, that 原初の一 (Original One) is the same as Ultimate One, or at least, in Arc's case. It then goes on to explain that because Altrouge essentially contends her for the position as '天体を成すもの' (one which forms the celestial body), she's not actually the 'ONE', at least yet. A lot of implications here. First off: 'one which forms the celestial'. This phrase is used by Roa to describe Arcueid in TsukiRE too, in conjunction with 原初の一. It is also used with these exact words to describe True Ether in Babylonia, which is very interesting. I've thought about this before, but hey, maybe Gaia put away all the True Ether in the True Ancestors. Back to Altrouge, I suppose this explains why A:E is 'Archetype' rather than 'Type', since she's yet to become the sole uncontested 'ONE' of the planet. As for Altrouge herself, I wonder what this entails. We learn later that Arcueid is formed around the frame of the '世界卵' (World Egg) which is probably correlated to the 天体の卵 (the Celestial Egg) from TsukiRE, which sounds fairly unique. Is Altrouge formed around something else? Then why can she contest as the Ultimate One of Earth? If Arcueid is Gaia's Ultimate One, is Altrouge closer to the Moon? What's her frame?
• MR: Interesting to note that here we get magecraft sort of euphemized as "Interference Formulae", themselves noted as being born from civilization. Once again, Nasu affirms that magecraft is a property of humanity's civilization; a sort of 'technology' unto itself.
• The whiteboard gets explained here and in an interview but never in TsukiRE...
• Returning to the Inner Sea of the Planet: Arcueid's body vaporizes when she does so. Given the nature of fairyland, maybe this was expected. After all, it is a 'conceptual dimension', rather than a physical one. This sort of gives context as to what 'incarnated elemental' kind of actually means. Outside of fairyland, they're just spirits, after all.
• Original One skill: This is where the World Egg is first mentioned as being her 'frame'. Not quite so in her current form, which is manifested using a Spirit Graph. Hence, Arcueid is weaker.
• Marble Phantasm compression: '一時的に筐体をマナ凝縮体に変化させ' ("temporarily transforms her frame into a mana compression unit"). Apparently this is the fundamental function of Marble Phantasm. Compression! Fitting giving we know her Principle is the one of Focality.
• 亜麗真種: see here.

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LOL, turns out True Ancestors all turn into furries to fight the monke, in order to become the boss of Land of Steel.

Notes just gets better with age and retcons.

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Originally Posted by Lily Emilio

Elementals are all closest to the planet out of everything it created, especially those who are born from the inner sea. However they have their "role" being determined since birth to do specific jobs the planet wanted them to do with. Being the brain, with new implications, seems to be yet another one of the jobs that unless the planet specifically choose you, no one can get that role. And the job seems to involve being the direct administrator of the planet, resulting from the whole asking Crimson Moon to help with the rise of humans. Basically prior to Crimson Moon, it seems that the idea of having a "brain" like that never occurs to Earth as a living celestial body, as the Elementals it created were sufficient enough to act as terminals to manage the surface (like Yu Meiren), which was why it never got a Type like other planets, until humans became a threat that they overthrown the previous Prime Species - the gods. The furry A-rei in Lostbelt 6 for example, has the same "Breath of the Planet" skill as Arcueid, Yu Meiren has even better regeneration than prob most TAs (girl literally blows herself up into a rain of blood and instantly reconstruct herself as will, no vampiric impulses, can pull nigh infinite mana from the world, spirit core is one with nature...etc), and Arcueid is now called a "True" type of A-rei, who looked at Excalibur and believe it to be sorta her "sister", referencing the six A-reis whose job was to forge Excalibur with their body to fend off Sefar.

Another point is, it was mentioned in Olympus LB that powerful chief gods of some pantheons such as Zeus are capable of controlling most natural phenomena, making them the "closest to being the ruler of the planet", but they are not Ultimate Ones. The Lostbelt race at the beginning is also to "find out the King of the new planet". Kiara as Beast III was trying to make the planet her body (so she is pretty much gonna become its brain). Goetia tries to become the foundation of a new Earth he plans to create. In Extra, it was also said that the Moon Cell after evolving to the point it can affect the planet with its function beyond everyone else, is called "administrator of the planet", dubbed as the "Type-Moon" of Extra. The goddess Tiamat's appearance embodies the planet, with the horns representing the continents, the hair is the sea, her eyes reflects the inner sea of the planet, described as a perfect being with no physical and mythical flaws, when she awakens she caused spacetime drifts similar to when Archetype awakens in the MBBAAN manga, has no death concept like Types and has similar vibes to Type-Venus. And yet, none of these entities are candidates for Types, the planet didn't go ask them hey can we make some deals. So to me it implies that entities having aspects similar to an Ultimate One can exist, as in, governing the planet itself through their crazy powers or embodies the planet, but would not get recognition by the planet since they are not as "close" to the planet as the Elementals, especially ones born from the Inner Sea, so they are always lower rank than the planet's agents, and thus can never be the One. I think the main antagonist of Lostbelt arc is trying to get that role by force, just like Goetia and Kiara tried to do.

So with all the new lores, it seems that the planet created TAs the same way they created these high class Elementals i.e the A-reis in the past. But their intended purpose is to be the brain rather than doing different things. Pretty much instead of multiple Elementals doing different functions, one individual who can do ALL functions is the new idea. In other words, there is a pool of Elementals who are not much diff from the TAs in term of their being, but it is because of the fact that their role cannot be changed, there is no "ascension" to become the Ultimate One, the planet had to create the TAs to fulfill that role after consulting Crimson Moon. And among the TAs, it then have to pick between the most perfect ones, namely between Arc and Altrouge.

That being said, I think it works a bit differently in Fate timelines, due to the downfall of the DAAs, Zelretch not being vampiric and Roa was toasted by Edmond Dantes. We don't know if Altrouge exists in Fate, because PM lives with Merlin now. But if she does not exist, Arc should be the default "brain" in Fate timelines imo.

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Hmm, pretty good assessment. I agree with everything you said.
We also have that Tsuki no Sango story where it's stated they put the soul/brain of the planet in a vessel so they could manage the moon.

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Originally Posted by Best Girl

LOL, turns out True Ancestors all turn into furries to fight the monke, in order to become the boss of Land of Steel.

Notes just gets better with age and retcons.

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Eww, I liked the idea of A-Rays being angels.

But seriously speaking though, it is becoming more and more clear that we are ret-coning a lot of the old definitions.

Like if you go back to the OG notes:

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亜麗百種 [a-ray]
星の資源を使いきった人類が生み出した次世代の霊長類。
かつての星に現存していた各生物種をモチーフにしたもの。荒廃した星でも生存可能であるように生態を大きく 改良・強化されたもの。その系統樹は様々で、大きく分類して百種にわたる。一から十までの位である亜麗は単 一種であり、群体ではない。
中には人間としての遺伝子を含み、人間と似た形態の亜麗も存在するが、やはり大部分は様々な生命種と霊長類 とが融合、進化したものである。

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If you are not being a neckbeard pedant, the impression you would get is that A-rays are evolved humans, and "Primates" here mean monke-kind.

Current A-ray is not old A-ray, current Primate is not old Primate.

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My wank after contextualizing the new bits is that:

A-rays are now powerful elementals, and the Land of Steel scenario is recontextualized as the A-rays going rogue after the death of the planet. They evolved into chimeric shapes to adapt to the dying planet. The resemblance to different animals was due to the imprint left on them by the planet (they have the blueprints of extinct Earth creatures).

Notes A-Rays being a completely separate thing still makes more sense to me. A-Rays are Gaia's top dogs. The ones we know are Arcueid who gets called the brain of the planet and Woodwose who gets called the lung of the planet. In Notes, Gaia died. The proper A-Rays all should be dead with her, if a planet's organs work anything similar to a person's. Then old humanity in their death bed created the next species to walk the Earth and named it after the natural systems that they lost.

Of course, your interpretation is still perfectly valid if "created by humanity" is a lot more metaphorical than I think it is.

I wonder if Avalon Le Fey like Castoria and Morgan are also considered A-ray.
Isn't Woodwose the sweat glands. Heat Exhaust.

https://i.imgur.com/idtylIO.png

In Tsuki no Sango humans created an artificial "brain" for the Moon, didn't they?

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Originally Posted by Comun

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huh didn't remember that

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Originally Posted by Blastedspider

In Tsuki no Sango humans created an artificial "brain" for the Moon, didn't they?

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And this:

https://i.imgur.com/Hi1CzDN.jpg

Which is another reason some people on twitter think Beast VII may be fake Type-Earth created in attempt to control Gaia.

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Originally Posted by You

huh didn't remember that

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You probably didn't see it. It's hidden under breaking a bar in Woodwose's unwninnable boss fight.

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Originally Posted by sentence

Which is another reason some people on twitter think Beast VII may be fake Type-Earth created in attempt to control Gaia.

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Speaking of which, do we even know what Earth is in Type-Moon'verse?

All these talks make me think that it's not a regular/normal planet to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Comun

You probably didn't see it. It's hidden under breaking a bar in Woodwose's unwninnable boss fight.

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well played lasagna

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Originally Posted by You

I wonder if Avalon Le Fey like Castoria and Morgan are also considered A-ray.
Isn't Woodwose the sweat glands. Heat Exhaust.

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If the Avalon le Fae's purpose is to create Excalibur, which was also the purpose of the six A-rei, then I'd have to assume yes?

I wonder what is going to come later this month. I guess we can expect something good?

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Originally Posted by Reign

If the Avalon le Fae's purpose is to create Excalibur, which was also the purpose of the six A-rei, then I'd have to assume yes?

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Aren't those like the top six A-Rays from Notes? Seems like an obvious reference

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Originally Posted by Dartz

Aren't those like the top six A-Rays from Notes? Seems like an obvious reference

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They're the six fairies who created Excalibur 14,000 years ago. Maybe they're connected but since Gaia is dead in Notes it's probably just a nod from Nasu and not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Nanaya

I wonder what is going to come later this month. I guess we can expect something good?

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Swimsuits

At their booth*

E: I just realized, no necklace as AE regardless of form. AE in Melty doesn't have it either though so it could just be a 'base' Arc thing before awakening? Inb4 altrouge magazine cover crack theory was true.

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Originally Posted by Dartz

Aren't those like the top six A-Rays from Notes? Seems like an obvious reference

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Oh shit wut

Mind blown

Yes the Six Sisters and the last Magic Users.
I would buy this as a call back to Notes.

I finished Arc's route! True ending so bittersweet as always ;_; Though I can't deny the good ending sort of contradicted it in the original VN. That's probably why it was omitted.
I wouldn't mind waiting for a better written good ending though.

Arc had only one route in remake but that doesn't mean her story is over.

Obviously it isn't lol.

Are ONE and Original One likely the same thing? Probably.
Original One is the title of the strongest in Tsuki which awakened Arc(Archetype) is a candidate for. The Crimson Moon was referred to this as well. It said the land of the TA was where the Original One arrived to bring about the end in KT.
Altrouge stands in her way of ascending to the position of ONE and she is possibly her rival candidate as someone of the same scale. Or it is simply that Altrouge has prevented her from being complete by taking her power/hair? I tend to lean towards the former since Altrouge's scale shouldn't matter much in the latter. Though we should remember that the form of Archetype can only be realized by regaining her hair.
Another thought about Altrouge. She's TA Royalty. The Light Body system should be applicable to her as a Brunestud. Would the Celestial Egg be found connected to her as well?
Both princesses are potential vessels through which CM could possibly revive. Possibly his Successors.
We know that Archetype is essentially Arc influenced by the CM directive from old lore.
Archetype is the 『地球の頭脳体』 but she naturally originates from 月の頭脳体 as an avatar of the moon.
Original One is said from the perspective of Tsukihime. This makes some sense if you link it to Crimson Moon specifically and consider his activity resulting in the world split.
Would this mean that there is no seat of the Original One in Fate? Obviously Ultimate Ones exist but specifically the Original One designation? It feels a bit strange to word it the way it is, if there was. CM existed in those worlds as well, but maybe it's intrinsically tied to him?
So basically becoming the Original One/One is possibly the world corrosive will of the CM being confirmed within his successor as they rise to the seat of the strongest? A complete Archetype is the birth of a new moon within the system of the world. An avatar of the moon with the authority of the earth. Earth would be his new kingdom.
Eco-Arc natural enemy is Brunestud.
So Ascension 3's line about completion may mean becoming CM in totality. A Love to reject completion is evocative of the dream where Shiki vows to save Arcueid/Archetype from her fate.

Further thoughts. Following the above scenario, if there is no original one position in Fate then how does that explicitly pertain to 『地球の頭脳体』? Archetype mentions how she is currently relieved of the role of 星の頭脳体. This could mean a lot of things. Perhaps it is simply because of her servant vessel. Perhaps it has to do with someone else possessing the position. Perhaps it is because of reality being trapped within fantasy. Or maybe it's because in worlds of Fate, there is no duty.

This is an assumption but if the worlds are indeed divided between worlds where Alaya has made them stable(Fate) and worlds where Gaia manifests(Tsuki) then perhaps the manifestation of Gaia itself refers to Archetype. Human order is seemingly dependent on the CM's status. Given that A3 is a what if, a hypothetical possibility, and not Fate Archetype... Is the manifestation of Gaia literally the creation of 『地球の頭脳体』?
Basically I'm wondering if you can have a 『地球の頭脳体』 fashioned by the planet without the potential revival of the Original One as it may be a prerequisite to keeping Alaya in check.
Though perhaps if my reading on that line about ORT is wrong then you can have 『地球の頭脳体』created in worlds of Fate but the influence of the CM is somehow absent and thus their is no designation for OO despite True Ancestors existing... though that does seem weird to me since their whole point is to bear the seed of CM inside their consciousness and the creation of Arc would presumably allow this spot to be filled.

But to counter this, MBBAAN makes Archetype seem sort of Multi Dimensional with how Arc and Sion are in two different spaces at once and there is obviously time fuckery going on with Arc, dreams and shit. So maybe there is only one 'Archetype' all together and it's some sort of higher order will. Well, again, world divide so who knows.

Also I know Sialim seems aware of Archetype's existence but it wouldn't be the first time a genius mage has knowledge of other worlds. Nero most recently.

Maybe by the end of part 2 we'll see someone actually become 星の頭脳体 and that's why we have this lore tossed on us. Maybe the position was left empty in FGO and is to be filled. The way AG showed up at the end of Tung just reminds me of how Arc probably showed up to shank Roa when his year in Nero's workshop was over.
Anyway, I dunno. Just some random thoughts I strung together.
I guess it will depend on what Nasu is planning with Arc regarding the latter portion. I think the first part about ties to CM are pretty sound though.

I hope that new fgo lore and content is forshadowing arcueids continuing story ❤️

Her status after remake was inconclusive due to how the original vn went, so I'm hoping that wasnt all there was for her

Don't worry, part 3 of FGO will cover it in an event between killing the DAA and then we can all quit TM in unison.
Also when I say fashion I don't necessarily mean directly since presumably she was still created by TA. I don't recall if that was specified in remake again. Given how little we got on CM/TA in general I tend to think it probably wasn't.

Well we have confirmation 地球の頭脳体 exists in Extra at least.
I always thought there was no CM resurrecting to a previous incarnation and Princess Arc was CM fully revived. So Ascension 1 would be the complete version. Isn't she referred to as Arc from at least a couple thousand years in the future?

Remind me about the Extra context. There always appeared to be a distinction from Hime and the confirmed CM which is why I think it might be related to this new stuff. That's kind of the crux of the dream in KT. She also seem representative of Arcs future but also her past going by some of her lines. I mean, what's the time axis to her anyway lol.

Oh that one's from the 10th anniversary pamphlet

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Q: Is there any relationship between the Moon Cell and the Crimson Moon? Does the Moon Cell exist in universes outside of EXTRA?

A: Moon cell is something that is only in EXTRA, and it does not have anything to do with the Crimson Moon. However, in the world of EXTRA, the "Brain of the Planet" (Archetype Earth's title) who is equivalent to the Crimson Moon should still be living somewhere.

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I think the difference lies in the fact that the hosts have their own identities and they are influenced by each other. Which is why if Arc went to sleep forever and she stopped identifying as herself the CM aspect could take over.
Or at least that's what I remember from KT.

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Originally Posted by Dartz

Oh that one's from the 101th anniversary pahmplet

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Typemoon is that old?


damn edited..

Hehe

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Originally Posted by Dartz

Oh that one's from the 10th anniversary pamphlet



I think the difference lies in the fact that the hosts have their own identities and they are influenced by each other. Which is why if Arc went to sleep forever and she stopped identifying as herself the CM aspect could take over.
Or at least that's what I remember from KT.

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That uses 星の頭脳体 actually. So equivalent to CM. Which makes you think Arc but that's technically something like*(edit) silicon-chan since he would logically be 月の頭脳体 right? So not necessarily. Given how Arc seems fanservice in Extra and they say Tsukihime falls apart... I don't think that's exactly the strongest evidence Archetype is around?
As for the other point, Hime specifically mentions their father in MB as I recall so she's really not CM complete as far as we've seen her is how I see it. Even like a thousand years in the future in MBBAAN the 'Arcs' are freely switching between one another since they're the same. I just feel like there will be some event horizon where we get final villain CM.

I always thought those were the same. I think the only time I've seen 月の頭脳体 being used was in Berserker Arc's extra profile, on one of the character material entries.
That's an interesting way to look at it. But if that's the case it doesn't look like CM is reviving anytime soon. Maybe something like the Aylesbury ritual to get CM as final boss.

An observation. Arc3 is making a big emphasis on her hair. It also is reminiscent of the light body. Importance of the hair is obviously being emphasized.

Arc's hair being important was always a Thing, I think

Din't Altrouge cut it off in the old continuity or something?

That's the point I'm making yes. She's missing it in remake too so Alt is probably responsible. It's equivalent to her power. Also about the aesthetic resembling her light body.

Doesn't her luminous body have short hair?

I meant the color. It's probably the same element.
E: I double posted.

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Originally Posted by Dartz

That's an interesting way to look at it. But if that's the case it doesn't look like CM is reviving anytime soon. Maybe something like the Aylesbury ritual to get CM as final boss.

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Time is on HIS side. He'll be there, at the END.

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Originally Posted by Nanaya

Would this mean that there is no seat of the Original One in Fate? Obviously Ultimate Ones exist but specifically the Original One designation?

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We have two types of Ultimate One now to consider.

アルテミット・ワン

原初の一

that is used for CM/Arc, and

アルテミット・ワン

極限の単独種

for Oort cloud's Ultimate One in South America (currently speculated to be what ORT is classified as in Fate). How the two are related or differ from each other is unknown.

Right. It's probably unique for each UO.

If Arc can remake the texture of the Earth etc, does this mean the other Types have similar powers on their own planets?

ORT's crystal valley is similar thing isn't it.

Maybe if they are all their respective 星の頭脳体 ?

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Originally Posted by Nanaya

Original One

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Yeah, it is important to note that though the title of Original One is definitely tied to the concept of Ultimate One, they are definitely not analogous in every situation. Partially this is why I think translating it as Ultimate One is incorrect, since clearly there is significance to the title beyond it just being Ultimate One. And yes, it is Crimson Moon's title. From this perspective, I definitely see Archetype:Earth (specifically the FGO Asc1/MBAACC iteration) as essentially just being the will of Crimson Moon having incarnated into the frame of Earth. This is especially apparent, I think, if you read the FGO profile. To speculate a bit, Gaia and CM probably came to the kind of deal that lead CM's will/directive being in control of Earth's World Egg (世界卵). Perhaps without using CM as a model, it was impossible for Gaia to create its own Ultimate One for various reasons.

Altrouge is interesting because there are some things (at least from the old lore) that we know about her.
1. she has the name of Brunestud
2. she can't use Marble Phantasm (only Sumire out of the DAA can)
3. she controls Gaia's Monster (Primate Murder)

The first two seemingly contradict each other, because the name of Brunestud is only granted to True Ancestors who can manifest the Millennium Castle.
Regardless, I'm inclined to believe that the significance of the whole "she has to defeat Altrouge before she's truly the ONE" comes down to the Brunestud moniker. After all, that's what the title of Original One seems to be related to: Crimson Moon's succession. There's a part of me who thinks this was almost the concept behind Tsukihime 2 and their rivalry. Though how exactly Altrouge contests for it is still rather unclear. Unlike Arcueid, one would assume her birth is quite far removed from the planet, which is probably why she can't use Marble Phantasm. There is probably something to the idea that there are multiple different interpretations of how Crimson Moon's will is to be inherited, and Altrouge is one of them. Though who interpreted it? Who is responsible for Altrouge? Is it Crimson Moon as well? Their approaches seem so different I wonder if Altrouge was simply set up as a sort of test of Arcueid. It's still something that appears quite of out reach to come to a good conclusion about.

I feel like the reason why A:E says they're 'relieved of the duty' of the Brain of the Planet is simply that they've been summoned into a Saint Graph instead of using their World Egg frame. There shouldn't be too much to read into here, imo.

MBBAN doesn't signify much in terms of 'multidimensional' qualities. Much in the same way that Sion's simulation was 'real' because of how close it came to the actual one, could A:E interfere through the same principles, or at least that's what I think.

Was it ever said the castle can only be manifested with Marble Phantasm? IIRC it was originally part of Crimson Moon's reality marble so its possible Altrouge could be able to manifest it somehow with her own reality marble. We know RMs can be inherited and alot of the DAAs have one after all.

Aren't they supposed to have Principles/Idea Blood instead of RMs now?

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Originally Posted by Petrikow

Regardless, I'm inclined to believe that the significance of the whole "she has to defeat Altrouge before she's truly the ONE" comes down to the Brunestud moniker. After all, that's what the title of Original One seems to be related to: Crimson Moon's succession. There's a part of me who thinks this was almost the concept behind Tsukihime 2 and their rivalry.

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Ya I think we are mostly in agreement with how OO and CM Succession being the big point. How the deal came to place with CM taking control of the egg would totally fit I think. And I seem to recall something about Gaia not being able to judge itself and so a celestial body(CM) swoops in. It probably couldn't make a UO without him.
As for AE: It's definitely the form of the will/directive coming through though and is what Arc shifts to when she talks to Tatari and in MB. Remember how she shifts between mentality depending on if she's talking to Tatari or Shiki in that scene. Though I still feel like completion would require her character to shift more and the Arc component of the individual's being to completely vanish. Putting it like this, it makes it seem like a there is probably a sliding scale of elements at play like CM directive, Arc's base nature, and the malfunction created by Shiki. Not much different from Shiki's own Tohno/Nanaya and killing directive.

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Aren't they supposed to have Principles/Idea Blood instead of RMs now?

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Well no. They have IB as their main unique power now but nothing indicates RM were strictly replaced. Roa while not having an IB seems to have a principle on reincarnation? He also still has Overload though so it probably depends on the ancestor. I'd imagine Tatari and Nero might have their stuff become IB? Or just get new depth to their powers.

In other news, do you think anything will be announced for Remake in the TM Times stream?

There is no conclusive evidence either way, but I'm on the side that Idea Blood is meant to be a replacement for the Ancestor's Reality Marbles. Genri Kekkai is definitely a name chosen to bring Koyuu Kekkai to mind. And then there's the difference we can see between Vlov and Noel. Noel's regular Principle is the Homesick Bells. It's just a power that conjures spears and uses the bells on them to trigger memory bombs. Meanwhile, Vlov's freezing is an Idea Blood, and it's shown straight up overwriting the world with its cold like a Reality Marble.

Though Noel's Idea Mosiac/Rita's Idea Blood muddles the idea because we can't see the outside to check if the dream world induced by the Mystic Eyes of Roses is overwriting reality or not. Unless they go with the route of "Mystic Eyes are inherently a form of internal RM", which would sorta of a sudden revelation after we known these two mechanics for so long.