i assume this is the right thread for this.
i finished the remake last night and typed out my thoughts here: https://ideaease.wordpress.com/2021/...i-heart-noeru/
pretty good game
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i assume this is the right thread for this.
i finished the remake last night and typed out my thoughts here: https://ideaease.wordpress.com/2021/...i-heart-noeru/
pretty good game
Glad to hear you liked it. I did too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akyuu
I'll mirror your thought on Noel; she was probably the best thing that could have happened to Ciel's character. It took an almost barren plotline from the original and made it into the catalyst for her entire character development. More so than ever, Ciel feels complete.
Read it, and I see your point about how there is no absolute morality in that no one is in the absolute right or wrong, but still, it's pretty obvious that there is quite a bit of relative morality here and that some characters are contextually more or less culpable than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akyuu
Thanks for correcting my misremembering, pulled a Cruor thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Petrikow
It's insane to me how well Noel completes Ciel as a character yeah. I didn't think the remake could've delivered on this better than what we got. I'm really happy with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrikow
A thought I had somewhere else that I wasn't able to include in the post is that once I chose to read Ciel as a girl version of F/SN Shirou, her character clicked for me a lot better. Their primary difference is that Shirou only feels guilty for surviving the Fuyuki fire, whereas Ciel feels guilty for having a part in Roa's weird shit. Otherwise, their behaviors towards other people and their (lack of) self-esteem feel really similar to me. Shiki is this route is mostly a heroine to enable Ciel to grow (although he does get his own thematically appropriate conclusions, with his dream scene for example).
Sure, but then I don't think Ciel's route resolves satisfyingly with that mindset. If you're looking for who's more culpable than others, than Roa's resolution for example, won't feel satisfying. Noel's character would feel like a villain with too much screentime, and I'm sure that'd be missing the point of the route.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable
The final shot that makes her become a cactus in the very end is the one that would make her VIII if she could handle it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Petrikow
Really agree with this. The added elements in Ciel's route really brought new life into pretty much every character involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akyuu
Yes and no. Obviously through each lens, the "morality" will skew one way or another. In Shiki's eyes, Ciel always was a good person, who had some pretty big mistakes yes, but kept working to redeem herself from them, much like himself. So in Shiki's eyes Roa is the "absolute bad guy", for ruining Ciel's life. In Noel's eyes, Ciel is the bad guy, cuz Roa or not, she did those things, she burned their town to the ground, she is responsible for that massacre. In Ciel's eyes, Arcueid is the bad guy for even allowing Roa to have her drink his blood in the first place, as well as herself, not only for the Roa stuff but also the life she led after resurrecting. In Arcueid's eyes Roa is the bad guy, as well as Ciel for getting in her way of reclaiming the power he stole from her.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable
It's a web of finger-pointing that really gave this version of the route much needed... relatability(?). You could argue it was there in the original, but it wasn't nearly as fleshed out and explored as it was here. I think pretty much every character involved greatly benefitted from the changes and additions made in the remake.
「処女の血を吸う、というのは、まだ他の人間と体液の交換をしていない血液が、彼等の遺伝子を補うのに適し ているから。通常の血液より栄養がある、程度の違いね」
Arcueid: "Sucking the blood of virgins, that is, the blood of those who haven't exchanged bodily fluids with other humans yet, is more suitable for supplementing their own genetic material. It's vastly more nutritious than regular blood."
I'm surprised that Nasu kept this bullshit in, honestly. The definition is so stupid I'm surprised there are enough people who fulfill those criteria for someone to be able to figure out this "rule."
Mathematically speaking it would make her Rank VII, I suppose? Arach only left her with 1 extra for "emergencies" after they were done with the initial transformations.Quote:
Originally Posted by aldeayeah
Either way, it's clear that she couldn't handle it, as she pretty much breaks apart at the seams after injecting it. I guess she knew her limits, and that's why she stopped at Rank VI.
Don't we all exchange bodily fluids in the wombQuote:
Originally Posted by Gabriulio
Formula-fed incels, the ideal vampire feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriulio
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Formula-fed incels, the ideal vampire feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriulio
Speaking of Dead Apostle ranks, would the "DAAs don't exist in Fate, they're just superior DAs" thing mean that VII is the highest DA rank in Fate worlds, and VIII and IX aren't on the list?
Isn't that just being consistent with the peculiarity of how DAs have always happened to share the same quirks as all those classic vampire stereotypes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriulio
Like the new scene where Arc doesn't show up on camera = vampires having no reflections
I could see Stage IX being treated as a near impossibility in Fate worlds as being the explanation for why their potential is capped there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reign
How many stages of vampirization are there?
I'm questioning the justification behind the tidbit, not the tidbit itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobin
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It was like that in the original Tsuki, and it was just as stupid.
Maybe that doesn't follow the rules of the Age of Man? DAs reject human history, right?
Oh, ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriulio
I don't really think it's possible for a non-stupid explanation for why virgin blood is better for vampires to exist, besides simply not giving one at all.
Nine.Quote:
Originally Posted by warellis
You can read more comprehensively about them here.
It can work if you treat it like a vampire urban legend. "This isn't true and makes no sense, but many old vampires believe it and will refuse to listen to reason when you try to explain it to them."
I mean 'what we do in the shadows' explains it pretty nicely even though it's a joke. 'It's nice knowing someone didn't have sex your sandwhich.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobin