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An upgrade.
Not for Akiha, she doesn't care.
The chapter 8 of that comic antholgy gave me the feels abot Noel.
Girl was not a monster, deep she wished for a normal life , and she ended trapped in a world wich is too much for her . Im not agree with the shinji comparisons , not saying shinji is devoided of nuance, but Noel does not just want to be a good exceutor because ego , she cant just quit the church, its basically too late for her
Noel is great. She contributes a lot to Ciel's route. Sometimes too much to the point she feels more heroine-esque than Ciel. But that's my opinion.
not just your opinion, she absolutely does
Ciel is the protag in her route.
her harem consists of Shiki, Arc and Noel.
Noel is definitely suitable to be a main heroine. The more I reread, the more I appreciate how well she was written. It's crazy how just her inclusion alone made Ciel's route so much better. I expect the same from Far Side.
Just read the other day an interview excerpt from 2001 about how OG had, at some point only Arc's Good ending, and that Takeuchi urged Nasu to write a 'parting' story which ended up being the True Ending we know today. In other words, True ending was added after Good.
I didn't know about this. Takeuchi is really a business man.
Interesting to see how they settled with the opposite this time.
I would like Noel a lot more if she wasn't an ephebophile preying on her students
You know, I kind of find that as one her lesser personality faults compared to her homicidal tendencies and extreme self-righteousness.
Understandable with her background.
Noel's prey is always same, a man 'mentally' older than her.
top tier voicing during this scene too
Spoiler:
I'm excited to see what the hell her post-Tsuki DA Noel scenario will be about.
The ephebophilia is honestly more off-putting to me than anything else, even if it is understandable. It straddles the boundary for me between acceptable levels of fucked-up for a character and way too fucked up in a very real sense.
She is doing the latter for sure, but there is a part of her that seems to genuinely like him. She imagines him a sort of stand-in for the person she had a crush on in her youth (the eastern student), the same one who threw her to the wolves (zombies in this case, I guess lol) after they escaped Elesia's pit of death.
That's definitely the main perk of Ciel's route... getting another EXTRA heroine as the focus of the story... In OG Tsuki, she was basically NTR-ed by Arc and now Noel does just that... Still, the remake feels so much better I guess... I haven't replayed OG Tsuki but I remember that Ciel's route is so similar to Arc's route except for that Shiki-Roa stuff. Oh and also Roa not being BRoa in the OG...
Given that she freely admits to liking killing for the sake of liking killing and that the "Word of God" is just convenient words, that's like the opposite of self-righteousness.
And that's why the series as a whole is perfect. More series needs gatekeeping normie filters.
See. Self-righteousness still has the word, "righteousness", in it. In other words, the person still believes in some kind of universal "rightness". For example, SN Kirei and awakened Reinhard cannot be distorted or self-righteousness because they know themselves, the world, and how the world can satisfy their desires. Not once in their minds do they have any notion of "justice"... Which makes me start to go off on a tangent that both men would be antithetical to the Persona 5 Phantom Thieves, but I digress.
That is not what self-righteous means. To be clear, the opposite of "self-righteous" is"humble".
"having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior" AKA you need to have a concept of moral superiority to begin with and find value with it. See the conversation between TheSeaDragon and I here: https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthrea...05#post3160405
To not be self-rightous, you should be able to admit that other people can be morally better than you, or that you can be wrong in the first place. Not having the concept is not the opposite, in the same way the opposite of "tall" is "short", not "yellow"
Or just not care.
Again, you can totally be a nihilistic, atheist asshole that admits to like killing for the sake of killing and still be self-righteous.
And proud of it.
@The self-righteousness discourse: Even after she became a vampire for the sake of petty revenge against someone she knows to be the wrong, she never stopped espousing how she's the victim and Ciel is the liar and the monster. Her response to the final call out on her mistakes includes a "How am I supposed to believe in God when I'm losing even though I'm right? Justice is on my side!". It doesn't get any more literal than that. If that's not self-righteousness, I really don't know what is.
Honestly, the murder is still on the lesser side compared to the wanton torture that comes with. She takes her time with each vampire, waits for them to beg for mercy and everything. "Vampires of this rank don’t have a sense of pain, so I dismember them with this special tool that makes them feel it." is the one line where Noel goes the hardest.
For sure.
It is straight up sadism, at the end of the day. However tragic the reason for her being the way she is may be, she is probably meant to be seen as 'beyond redemption' at the point we meet her in the story.
Of course, that doesn't stop her from being a very fascinating and interesting character! Her malignant and massive flaws are what define her, and allow us to understand what factors are needed to bring such a seemingly ordinary person into moral decay.
Yes, I understand that, but understand that this is also the woman who straight up admits that "in the name of the Lord" are just convenient words. She's not lying to herself in terms of that, at least.
That's a different topic all-together.
Noel always believes she is right, even after shedding her loosely-worn faith. Such is her mistaken self-righteousness. In clear defiance of what should be immediately apparent to anyone looking onto her from the side; that she is beyond redemption. Fallen to evil.
Whitewashed sepulchers and all that stuff.
I think her feelings, more so than her actions, can resonate with anyone, really.
At times life deals a bad hand. It feels unfair, and it is unfair. Why does reality not give us something good back given the terrible circumstances it otherwise imbued us with? Why are people who commit evil allowed to seek redemption while their victims continue to suffer?
Noel has all the right in the world to feel like she does. Her cries that she's in the right aren't necessarily wrong. What is wrong is what she allowed herself to become in the name of that righteousness.
The world is cruel, and unfair to us. Noel knows that very well.
I can relate to her hatred towards vampires and dehumanization of their victims too, as if they're forever tainted and have no room for atonement/salvation. I won't go further into detail and leave it at this.
But yes, her accepting vampirism hurt to watch. I can understand her though.
Also I really have enjoyed the Roa/Shiki interaction. Like that screenshot I posted earlier where Roa's going "killll her" and then Shiki tells him to shut up until they're done. These moments sometimes feel like comedy and break the tension a little lmao.
Roa's characterization in the remake is so strong. He is seriously one of my favorite characters.
Maybe, maybe not, but it certainly pleases my purposes. And again, her acceptance of vampirism is also a plus for me, even if she does it for selfish reasons.
I'm assuming that Gau is a relative noob when it comes to Type-Moon. This is like an Elder Scrolls noob freaking out over Pelinal. Both series should double on these signature elements.
She was not even accepting anything, she was mostly tricked into vampirism.
Unlike my math teachers (and thus more inline with how standardized tests work), I don't care about the work to get to a particular answer, so long as it gets that answer.
Thinking that how you reach an answer is irrelevant is a good way to embrace dogmatism.