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[agentzero]

Pretty sure GTH is just Hassan.

Lancelot got shitty stats from a shitty Master.

Forgot about his master, yeah. So in life he would probably have been around equal to Saber in stats.

[Cruor]

Really most of them look like endings to me. They have all have few conversations before fights but a lot of the meat seems to be during the credits.

That's not what I meant. I mean I only saw his translations for the Osiris stuff.

Also no one knows about Great Teacher Hasan?

TA.

[Certis Baliano]

TA should be able to kill his targets using Zabaniya without sticking his hand into their chests, right? He should just be able to create a fake heart in front of him and crush it. Then why does he keep on doing that to his opponents? Every time I've him use Zabaniya, I remember him trying to stick his hand into his opponent's chest.

[eddyak]

TA should be able to kill his targets using Zabaniya without sticking his hand into their chests, right? He should just be able to create a fake heart in front of him and crush it. Then why does he keep on doing that to his opponents? Every time I've him use Zabaniya, I remember him trying to stick his hand into his opponent's chest.

I don't think he can do it without putting his hand close to his opponent- the hand copies the opponent's heart, synchronises the copy with the real, and crushes the copy so that the original is destroyed. If that could be done from a distance, he'd be the most epic Servant ever.

@eddyak
Did he say that in CM3?
In the game it blatantly says "What he just did is impossible" as in even for him it should have been impossible

It didn't say that in CM3, but that's the only real explanation. Heracles' BC allows him to survive uncertain fatal wounds, so it should've been that- just as Lancer survived stabbing himself in the heart enough to kill Kotomine.

[terraablaze]

So what? Why is he called Great Teacher Hasan then? That makes it sound like him from when he was alive. If it is True Assassin which one was it?
@eddyak
Except for the fact that he was most positively dead, Gilgamesh and his all-knowingness not noticing, so he seems to have resurrected. I thought Battle Continuation just kept him from dieing when he normally might. We were probably seeing its affects during the fight but this seems different.
Does everything need an explanation eddyak. Are you so jaded you can't accept miracles anymore.

[agentzero]

So what? Why is he called Great Teacher Hasan then? That makes it sound like him from when he was alive. If it is True Assassin which one was it?

Dunno where the joke originated from, but it's pretty obviously a parody of GTO. And it should refer to the Hassan of the 5th war, since Zero was only at it's 1st volume when fuyuki was still active IIRC.

[eddyak]

Except for the fact that he was most positively dead, Gilgamesh and his all-knowingness not noticing, so he seems to have resurrected. I thought Battle Continuation just kept him from dieing when he normally might. We were probably seeing its affects during the fight but this seems different.

He looked like he was dead, but he hadn't started to fade. Thus, he was not dead.

MY LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE

Does everything need an explanation eddyak. Are you so jaded you can't accept miracles anymore.

Santa doesn't exist, the Easter Bunny is an abusive alcoholic, god is dead. All truth lies within running Gilgamesh.

[food]

TA should be able to kill his targets using Zabaniya without sticking his hand into their chests, right? He should just be able to create a fake heart in front of him and crush it. Then why does he keep on doing that to his opponents? Every time I've him use Zabaniya, I remember him trying to stick his hand into his opponent's chest.

Like Gae Bolg, Delusional Heartbeat is plagued by range limitations.

It supposes to create a mirror existence, which is then crushed. I guess the mirror existence is created right outside of the target's body, so Hassan needs to get close to crush it. If the mirror existence is too far, the resonance won't blow up the real heart?

Something like that.

So what? Why is he called Great Teacher Hasan then? That makes it sound like him from when he was alive. If it is True Assassin which one was it?
@eddyak
Except for the fact that he was most positively dead, Gilgamesh and his all-knowingness not noticing, so he seems to have resurrected. I thought Battle Continuation just kept him from dieing when he normally might. We were probably seeing its affects during the fight but this seems different.
Does everything need an explanation eddyak. Are you so jaded you can't accept miracles anymore.

There seems to be a period of "down time" after a fatal wound before Battle Continuation kicks in, like Lancer in UBW (probably for dramatic effect of total badass-ary).
Also, it was uncertain as to whether Berserker really died of the 22 NP's. He might be on his last breath of Battle Continuation like the following quote suggested.

…I don't even need to check if he's alive or not.
Even if he is a great hero that overcame ten deaths, he should not be able to get up after receiving twenty.
…Yes.
Even if he is alive, he should not even have the power to breathe.

[Certis Baliano]

Like Gae Bolg, Delusional Heartbeat is plagued by range limitations.

It supposes to create a mirror existence, which is then crushed. I guess the mirror existence is created right outside of the target's body, so Hassan needs to get close to crush it. If the mirror existence is too far, the resonance won't blow up the real heart?

Something like that.

I'm sensing a pattern here. To survive most hax abilities: just dash back.

But thanks, eddyak and food.

[eddyak]

I'm sensing a pattern here. To survive most hax abilities: just dash back.

The usual pattern to avoid an attack is "don't be there when it hits", but yeah, lol.

[terraablaze]

@eddyak
Why would Berserker ever stop rushing forward to punch bitches as long as he is still alive? That makes even less sense when you consider he has no sense of strategy and he was dead set on reaching Gilgamesh. If Nasu wants to say "There is no precedence for this event and it will probably never repeat, it is here because the scene is supposed to be touching and there are more important things in the Nasuverse than your powerlevel debates" I am down with that.

@people talking about Great Teacher Hasan.
If it is a joke then I guess that makes sense. Will look up the other ones I did not recognize later. And what does GTO stand for?

[food]

See the quote I posted.

Berserker might not be dead, but close to dead and then went for a last burst on Battle Continuation.

[eddyak]

/shrug. Maybe he blacked out, or BC brought him back up to 1hp after hitting 0hp.

Why would Saber be sweating and fainting in Fate when most other Servants just go "lol k I'm low on mana but who gives a shit? I'll vanish standing up, all badass-like."

[terraablaze]

@food
Still seems weird that Berserker could be alive at any point and not try to kill his enemies, and that Gilgamesh would not notice with his Noble Phantasm.
Weird stuff like "why did he not notice Avalon" aside, your opponent being alive or dead seems like pretty basic stuff.

And you still need to explain the second case of him doing the impossible

[food]

Gilgamesh is not there to make sure Berserker is killed. He's there to grab the minor Grail. Berserker is just extra hassle.

Also, like I mentioned, there seems to be "down time" after a fatal wound is inflicted and Battle Continuation kicks in.

[terraablaze]

Excuse me for being stubborn on this point but could you provide another example of this "down time"?

The part about Gilgamesh makes sense...I guess. Who knows what that guy is thinking half the time.

[food]

End of A Hero scene in UBW.

Lancer pierced his own heart, and then it took a bit of time before Lancer got up and stabbed Kotomine.

Kotomine was actually chatting a bit with Shinji and Tohsaka, and then BAM! right in the heart.

[Tobias]

zerker stops to chat for a moment with saber before fading, which might be a result of BC trying to kick in except she killed him 7 times and he only had 5 lives in waiting.


which by the way, is why I have never understood why some people argue caliburn had some kind of null multi-life/kill them till they are dead clause, since in that case 'zerker was over killed twice extra, against the concept

[eddyak]

I think the argument's more "Caliburn kills them seven times, to make damn sure they're dead", rather than "Caliburn kills them dead".

[Cruor]

In ha when Lancer gets cut in half he has no down time.