Actually I wonder if Emiya would even try to kill Shirou at all if he were summoned by him, my point in such a thing is that he would realize the future of this Grail War is already different and killing Shirou wouldn't do anything.
Actually I wonder if Emiya would even try to kill Shirou at all if he were summoned by him, my point in such a thing is that he would realize the future of this Grail War is already different and killing Shirou wouldn't do anything.
Highly unlikely since shirou was designated as saber's master way before he summoned her, but since I assume this is for a fanfic
a) How long would it take for EMIYA to curbstomp Shirou? Not long, unless shirou managed to accidentally command spell archer. In which case archer would be kind of screwed
b) Would Rin and Saber be capable of winning the War probably not, gilgamash
c) Would Archer be capable of soloing the entire conflict despite the handicap of having a dead Master? Not a chance.
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I always thought if EMIYA thought Shirou had any inkling of a chance of turning out like him, he'd go for it.
I mean, that is unless he was interrupted by the oh-so-small Grail War going on in the background.
0.04 seconds. Or, if he stops to think about it, depends on how stupid Shirou is being that particular playthrough.
Excalibur. All day, every day.b) Would Rin and Saber be capable of winning the War, and if so, howso?
Edit: But yeah, tobias got it right. Gil appears, Saber and Rin are now concubines. Or dead.
Nope. He'd find someone else to be his Master.c) Would Archer be capable of soloing the entire conflict despite the handicap of having a dead Master?
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If Shirou didn't have Avalon, could he be his own catalist to summon himself as Archer?
If he didn't have Avalon I'd say the next in line would be Archer, I mean what better catalyst then the entire body of the Servant?
Theoretically, Rin and Saber went to the school, Saber probably kicked seven shades of it out of Lancer before he legged it, but Shirō was attracted by all the extra destuction caused (cos Saber's a bit flashier than Archer). So everything goes as normal and Emiya is summoned in desperation. In which case, he has to drive off Lancer to be assured of his kill. Then Rin and Saber come along and it starts becoming more difficult, because Saber's likely to object to any treachery on his part. (There's also the vague link between him and Shirō, which might give Shirō some warning). Still, the Tōsaka team can't be around for ever, and even with the link and a little memory absorption, Shirō's absurdly outclassed. Say a minute or two, so long as Archer can get the opportunity and Command Spells aren't a factor?
Stats ~on par with Herakles plus sanity and a hilariously destructive Noble Phantasm (which doesn't kill her when she uses it, unlike with Shirō). Rider and Berserker will give her a tough time of it before going down, and Gilgamesh is pretty iffy without Avalon, but they wreck most of the opposition.b) Would Rin and Saber be capable of winning the War, and if so, howso?
Supposing he hasn't paradoxed himself out of existence (and is pursuing the Grail in some desperate attempt to force the paradox?), he's kinda screwed. Independent Action B gets you a long way, but it doesn't cover two weeks for the rest of the war, it really doesn't cover fighting a beefed-up Saber or Herakles or a savvy Gilgamesh (if Gilgamesh does wise up, mind you). He dies horribly.Would Archer be capable of soloing the entire conflict despite the handicap of having a dead Master?
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Probably not, hence my attempt at covering my ass with -magical shennanigans-.
I'm quite aware that this'd never happen canonically in any way, shape or form... I hope. I was just curious what sort of reactions I'd get, since, you know, Rin always wanted Saber.
... I actually wonder what Shirou and EMIYA would be like as a team, apart from EMIYA insulting Shirou's cooking, attitude, relationship with Sakura, Ilya, Rin... Oh god.
Are we taking about if shirou never had Avalon? Without his origin changed to swords, its entirely possible he would be completely unrecognizable.
And then suddenly the entire base for Fate/Stay Night degrades into nothing.
It could work you'd just have to find some believable way that he lost Avalon after becoming the Shirou we know. Maybe Kiritsugu took it from him right before he died or something, sure not very likely but more possible then say Shirou getting MEoDP for no reason.
No, I meant, like the sheat stolen or something before the summoning but after the Affinity change.
Something like this, IDK.It could work you'd just have to find some believable way that he lost Avalon after becoming the Shirou we know. Maybe Kiritsugu took it from him right before he died or something, sure not very likely
well if someone had already summoned arturia then i guess it would be possible for shirou to use himself as a catalyst.
Well, in UBW Archer wanted to have a showdown with Shirou to convince him he was wrong. So maybe Shirou would convince Archer in this situation too.
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notkojiro doesnt get any land or fame bonuses does he?
Speaking of Kojiro, he mentions that since Caster isn't a real Master, he had to be anchored to the mountain, and that he'll exist as long as the mountain does. Does that mean if Caster had given him a huge amount of mana that Kojiro could just stick around forever, even past the Grail War.
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I would assume so, he was techinically there way long after he should've disappeared and fought with Saber in UBW. This leads me to believe that the cost of maintaining him is really low.
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Back to the EMIYA as shirou's servant bit. I thought that servants couldn't kill their masters as a function of the command seals. Isn't that why Gilgamesh had Kotomine kill Tokiomi instead of doing it himself; or why Kotomine wasn't Gae Bolg'd until after the last of Lancer's command seals was used; or why Rider didn't murder Shinji; or why False!Assassin didn't kill Caster.
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Remember, Saber kills Shirou in that one Bad End in the Church basement.
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