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    Agility or nimbleness is the ability to change the body's position efficiently, and requires the integration of isolated movement skills using a combination of balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength and endurance.

    And, A is not A+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milbunk View Post
    Then what is it again? Reaction time? Attack Speed?
    Agility. Agility incorporates elements of speed but note how Sasaki can move his blade in wonderful angles that makes no sense to Saber, and finely control the blade so it can barely be seen, thats agility.

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    And how does him having a better rank than Lancer somehow make him slower? (Note I'm not talking about running speed, just cause you can run faster than them doesn't mean you can attack faster.)

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    Because agility isn't speed. For christ sake it calls him the fastest in UBW. Lancer's attacks can't be seen by Emiya in broad daylight, Saber could barely see Sasaki's in the middle of the night.

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    Emiya isn't exactly the best melee combatant barely able to hold his own against Lancer in the first place, his measure of Lancer's attacks is not a good comparison.

    Also: Agility or nimbleness is the ability to change the body's position efficiently, and requires the integration of isolated movement skills using a combination of balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength and endurance.

    What's that then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    Lancer's attacks can't be seen by Emiya in broad daylight,
    uhhhh.

    It was nighttime bro. Just saying.


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    Attack speed isn't speed either.
    He never sleeps. He never dies.

    Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milbunk View Post
    Emiya isn't exactly the best melee combatant barely able to hold his own against Lancer in the first place, his measure of Lancer's attacks is not a good comparison.

    Also: Agility or nimbleness is the ability to change the body's position efficiently, and requires the integration of isolated movement skills using a combination of balance, coordination, speed, reflexes, strength and endurance.

    What's that then?
    Guy with clairvoyance rank C can't see an attack against Lancer but he could sure as hell see them against Sasaki or else how did he escape from him in UBW?

    Not to mention your bizarre idea that a guy with clairvoyance rank C is worse at seeing things than Saber is bizarre. It doesn't matter how shit he is at melee combat, this is about seeing things, which Emiya is very good at.

    Not to mention agility incorporates speed it isn't all speed. So no A+ rank agility doesn't mean he's faster than Lancer. I've already explained how he can have higher agility while being slower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    Guy with clairvoyance rank C can't see an attack against Lancer but he could sure as hell see them against Sasaki or else how did he escape from him in UBW?
    The same way he dealt with attacks he couldn't see?
    He never sleeps. He never dies.

    Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    uhhhh.

    It was nighttime bro. Just saying.
    Was it? Ah well, my point stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    The same way he dealt with attacks he couldn't see?
    But he had experience against Lancer, he didn't have experience against Sasaki. It explicitly makes it clear that he required experience against Lancer's attacks to do as well as he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    Guy with clairvoyance rank C can't see an attack against Lancer but he could sure as hell see them against Sasaki or else how did he escape from him in UBW?

    Not to mention your bizarre idea that a guy with clairvoyance rank C is worse at seeing things than Saber is bizarre.
    Archer only get Clairvoyance when applying reinforcement to his eyes. So if he is putting all his focus on his suicidal combat style to allow him to react to lancers attacks in the first place I doubt he is going to risk putting even a small amount of focus to reinforcement of his eyes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    Archer only get Clairvoyance when applying reinforcement to his eyes. So if he is putting all his focus on his suicidal combat style to allow him to react to lancers attacks in the first place I doubt he is going to risk putting even a small amount of focus to reinforcement of his eyes.
    Sorry brah not seeing it. Archer is a master of reinforcement, if he isn't doing full body reinforcement when he goes into combat I don't see how he's getting any of his stats.

    Basically you guys are pulling at straws with this. Agility isn't speed, Lancer is called the fastest servant and he then proves it, Emiya can't perceive his attacks and his forced to use his memories from his previous fight against Lancer while he managed to escape from a Sasaki he had no experience against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    Sorry brah not seeing it. Archer is a master of reinforcement, if he isn't doing full body reinforcement when he goes into combat I don't see how he's getting any of his stats.
    Uhhh, he is a Servant?

    You do know that Servants have these things called stats, in which in turn determine their capabilities. Even with his relatively low stats he is still beyond all but the strongest of humans by simply being a Servant.

    Really man, your slipping.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    Uhhh, he is a Servant?

    You do know that Servants have these things called stats, in which in turn determine their capabilities. Even with his relatively low stats he is still beyond all but the strongest of humans by simply being a Servant.

    Really man, your slipping.
    Its obvious that reinforcement is included in his stats, just like Saber's prana burst is with hers.

    Anyway, this is the scene in question.
    Therefore, it cannot be like the last battle.
    There is nothing binding Lancer, and Archer is now forced to fight the fastest heroic spirit.







    A strained voice escapes Archer's mouth.
    Even his hawk-like eyes cannot follow Lancer's spear.
    The lance's movement is a point to start with.
    And it is a flash of light now.
    He cannot discern the lance coming at him.
    Even Lancer's movements are becoming invisible now.



    "!"
    He has been able to block such attacks until now because he had experienced them in a previous battle.
    He is doing what he canusing his inferiority as a weapon to block Lancer's furious onslaught.
    He is controlling where the attacks come.
    The knight in red limits the oncoming attacks by leaving fatal openings.
    Tell me what his hawk like eyes is referring to if it isn't his hawk like eyes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    Emiya can't perceive his attacks and his forced to use his memories from his previous fight against Lancer while he managed to escape from a Sasaki he had no experience against.
    They did have a fight as newbies, you know?
    And it's not like Shirou caught their attention RIGHT as they began their battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    Its obvious that reinforcement is included in his stats, just like Saber's prana burst is with hers.
    Source?

    Cause Saber's strength is actually said to come from Prana Burst in F/HA.

    Unless you have something that says Archer always does full body reinforcement you can't say he does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    Source?

    Cause Saber's strength is actually said to come from Prana Burst in F/HA.

    Unless you have something that says Archer always does full body reinforcement you can't say he does.
    That was my point. Saber's stats include prana burst, its fairly obvious that Archer would be the same or else his stats would be meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyal-to-Lelouch View Post
    They did have a fight as newbies, you know?
    And it's not like Shirou caught their attention RIGHT as they began their battle.
    That was my point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post

    That was my point...
    So, Archer fought Sasaki the same way he fought Cu there.
    Last edited by LoyaltL; June 14th, 2013 at 01:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loyal-to-Lelouch View Post
    So, Archer fought Sasaki the same way he fought Cu.
    No. Archer never fought Sasaki. If you mean using his memories of observing Saber fighting a HGW that he can barely remember, then no. Even if he could remember the fight, he wouldn't be able to remember the actual combat because he didn't have the skills to be able to see the fight when he was alive, it would just be flashing lights to him.

    Anyway read the Seika doc, its explained in there how shitty his memories of the HGW is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    No. Archer never fought Sasaki.
    "Monster stopped all 5 Servants who attacked etc etc."

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