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[peanuts]

Gasp. That alternate translation was a coke wasn't it.

[Seika]

Someone calling themselves FAUST apparently.

(Do I take this as approval of the B-T translation?)

[Polly]

One on each of her legs, one on her back, and one point on her left chest. The cutting section named death can be certainly seen. The one on her chest would be a good one to aim for. That would be an instant kill. Whether this woman is an illusion or something else, as long as it's alive, even if it were a god, I'll kill it.

Alternate translation, which may or may not be more accurate:

And yet...
Shiki looked up at her before she could do it. Two arms, two legs, one torso. One small spot slightly to the left of the center of the chest. Shiki could clearly see the cross section before her eyes: a blueprint for death.
The chest, above all, would be the best place to aim for. That would mean instant death. illusion or no, Shiki was determined to prove she could be killed... even if this girl was a god.

I think the "point" and "spot" in both translations refers to a particular small part of Kirie's body over which a line of death extends, rather than the spots of death Tohno sees. But it's just me guessing from the context.

[peanuts]

Someone calling themselves FAUST apparently.

(Do I take this as approval of the B-T translation?)

Well could be fine-tuned a bit, but yeah.
The Faust translation sounds better but it just blows it over here "Two arms, two legs, one torso".



Wasn't this already discussed to death though?

[Seika]

Wasn't this already discussed to death though?

Apparently not enough, given people are going over it now.

(In fact, it being discussed to death was two years ago, which is why it's happening now).

[peanuts]

Or maybe just to cause a shit storm, it could also be argued that the usage of the 一点 could also just be saying there's one's line on her chest. It does also have that kind of usage in Japanese.
Totally possible.

I mean anything's possible in Japanese.

[Mcjon01]

That's what I got from it. That one of the lines happened to go over the chest, and that's why it was a guaranteed instant kill. Because there's, like, important organs and stuff all up in there.

[You]

Someone calling themselves FAUST apparently.

(Do I take this as approval of the B-T translation?)

Faust is the name of the magazine. The guy translated Overlooking View for it is called Paul Johnson.

[Milbunk]

What's to stop Shirou from just Tsubame Gaeshi-ing everyone? Summoning the sword is easy enough for him and since the cost to deploy it is minimal then it should be easy enough, after all we know Nine Lives is possible.

[Break]

Nasu just didnt think of it i guess

Actually, i dont remember all of the Fate-route, but did Shirou ever actually see Tsubame Gaeshi? Maybe he just doesnt know about it.

[Polly]

Are you serious?

[Milbunk]

We know he at least sees it during the Fate and UBW routes, maybe even the HF route if you count that time when he sees the katana flying away when Assassin dies.

As for actually seeing it we also know he wouldn't have to as he did the exact same thing with Nine Lives.

[Break]

While i hadnt thought of it before, it is true that shirou can use the memories of the traced swords to fight like their actual users (which he does in Fate-route with Caliburn, probably in UBW at the end, and with Herc's sword to use Nine Lives), Nine Lives shows that he can do it even if he shouldnt even physically be able to, so i guess him tracing the laundry-drieng pole and tsubame gaeshing at least once doesnt sound impossible.

[Ratman]

Yes, Nine Lives are possible, and it requies him to be in a very dangerous state. So does Crane Wing. So does tracing and invoking Excalibur.
HF Shirou never saw Tsubame Gaeshi, but maybe then he could do it.

At least Archer should be able to do it if Nine Lives, which aren't just tied to the weapon itself, are possible.

Even then it's not like he would Tsubamegaeshi everyone. Reading a technique like that is pretty serious bussiness and in the few instances we see him do it, he fries himself(Crane Wing), dies(Excalibur), or it's not enough anyway(Nine Lives).

[Break]

@Polly you are aware that Shirou traces the sword's memories (aka the techniques the user of it did/can do with it) with the sword, are you? Thats how 9 Lives Blade works worked.

[Milbunk]

And with that last discussion I make my leave see you guys in a week!

[Polly]

@Polly you are aware that Shirou traces the sword's memories (aka the techniques the user of it did/can do with it) with the sword, are you? Thats how 9 Lives Blade works worked.

Yes, I remembered that eventually.
But with Kojiro being a fake and everything, it wouldn't surprise me that his sword doesn't hold the "memories" of TG.

Not to mention Shirou can't get Caliburn's "7-lives-kill" effect because he's a faker and it takes Saber's help to activate it, and Nine-Lives might be attributed to Archer's hax arm, so I'm a bit skeptical to how well Shirou can trace the memories of a technique.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

He doesn't actually see Assassin do the technique in Fate or UBW, just briefly glimpses Saber staring the guy down, so he'd have to realize there's a technique there to begin with, like Berserker's Nine Lives.

Yes, I remembered that eventually.
But with Kojiro being a fake and everything, it wouldn't surprise me that his sword doesn't hold the "memories" of TG.

It would have the wraith's memories, since it's pointed out that fake Kojirou's 150 cm sword probably isn't actually the 90 cm one if-he-exists-real-Kojirou would have there's a penis joke here I dunno I've been off my game today...

[Altima of the Gates]

The arm was assisting in projection, but its still something he could do on his own, same as seeing Archer project and then later use UBW in the UBW route helped him gain better skills. Besides, Herc's sword is ultimately a big piece of rock in the shape of a sword, Kojiro's weapon should count, whether he is a fake or not.

[mAc Chaos]

So does this mean if Shirou got a hold of some surgical tools he would be able to do surgery.