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    Which of course goes to show the quality of Seiba's decisionmaking. :V

    But given how she spams Prana Burst there's a decent chance one of Kerry's Bullets would blow her circuits to high hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte View Post
    Which of course goes to show the quality of Seiba's decisionmaking. :V

    But given how she spams Prana Burst there's a decent chance one of Kerry's Bullets would blow her circuits to high hell.
    Meh I don't think so. It's not like Saber is ever putting 4500 units of prana into her circuits when prana bursting.
    Quote Originally Posted by food
    Re/ Origin Bullet.


    Nasu: To use an RPG analogy, the Origin Round is like an attack that converts the opponent's MP into damage (note: mana burn essentially). For example, Kayneth with his 3000 MP would receive 3000 damage against his mere 100 HP. For someone like Waver with 5 MP, he would only receive 5 damage against his 50 HP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by food
    No, either way you are not making sense.

    If it is:

    1) High flow through low quality circuit, at any one point, the mana in Aoko's body is small. Origin Bullet burns the amount IN YOUR BODY. Minimal damage.

    2) Low quality, low flow + other auxiliary things. Still low damage from Origin Bullet.

    Either case, Aoko does not explode.

    Origin Bullet is shit against people with low capacity.
    If I'm to interpret this right, as long as Saber doesn't have much prana in her circuit she won't get badly damaged(at least compared to her HP), Saber is never gonna be flowing huge amounts of mana in her body unless she's using Excalibur or is using a CS to do a massive move like she does in HA. In all likelihood it's gonna be a pretty minor injury, that she'll recover from pretty quickly.

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    Her circuits would still be wrecked though. Or at least some.

    On that note... wouldn't she just heal back whatever damage the Origin Bullet does anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    In all likelihood it's gonna be a pretty minor injury, that she'll recover from pretty quickly.
    Necrosis bullet with Origin tier mystery says no to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuradora View Post
    Necrosis bullet with Origin tier mystery says no to that.
    I don't think you understand. It basically converts the magical energy in the circuits to damage. So if Saber has 2MP in her circuits, its only gonna do 2 damage, she has like 2000HP, so its a pretty minor injury. She'll then heal herself using her ridiculous healing ability. Kayneth was fucked over because he fired everything he had into his circuits and that was more than his HP. Kiritsugu wouldn't have set Kayneth up to using all his magical energy to block if all he needs to do is have his circuits open.

    Saber is rarely using prana burst to flow large amounts of magical energy through her body(at least compared to her HP), so its a relatively inconsequential attack to her.
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    I think Blackfield's mixing up what Food said. Aoko naturally doesn't have a lot, so SOL ORigin Bullet's not doing anything. Saber does have a dragon in her chest that's just manaing all the time. That's gonna hurt like a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenieth View Post
    I think Blackfield's mixing up what Food said. Aoko naturally doesn't have a lot, so SOL ORigin Bullet's not doing anything. Saber does have a dragon in her chest that's just manaing all the time. That's gonna hurt like a bitch.
    i'm not sure I am. Most of Saber's od is in her reserve, its not really activated. It's the amount that's in the circuit that matters. That's why Kiritsugu needed Kayneth to activate all his circuits and flow as much prana through them as possible. If all you need to do is have loads of MP in your reserve, he could attack at any point with the origin bullet and it wouldn't matter. If Saber is only flowing a small amount in her circuit, it's pretty minor damage.
    Quote Originally Posted by food
    It shorts your current Circuit and blows up whatever is coursing through. I would say the damage is 10. If it actually mana-burns mana stored elsewhere in your body, Kiritsugu would NOT need to shoot you when you are popping all your Circuits. He would just be shooting you when you are sleeping.The way Origin Bullet works is essentially punishing high Circuit count.

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    Well in that case, it's a case of how much does prana burst count for?

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    And she does use it for everything. So even if it's not permanent, for a while you'll be up against a 14 year old who can't even lift dumbbells.



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    Not much. Saber says she can do an entire battle for 20MP. And she only used like 250MP in a fight against Herakles and Lancer, most of which was spent repairing her armor. It's a pretty minor attack to her, it'll probably lead her to not using the limb that got hit for a bit. But she'll be relatively fine after like a few seconds.

    Kiritsugu would be better trying to force her to use Excalibur. Then she'll die in like an instant.

    Also it's not like it would destroy the entire circuit, only a minor bit. Kayneth had his entire circuit destroyed because he had so much od in it. Saber only has a small amount, so it would only damage a small part of her circuit.
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    Granted this is all invalid cause Saber can definitely dodge bullets or at least deflect them with Excalibur. Why would she tank them? Not like you can rapid fire them, its one shot every few seconds due to reloading time.


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    @BlackField
    My qualm was the quick recovery part. You can't heal from damage from Kerry's Origin Bullet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    Granted this is all invalid cause Saber can definitely dodge bullets or at least deflect them with Excalibur. Why would she tank them? Not like you can rapid fire them, its one shot every few seconds due to reloading time.
    Would a bullet even get past her armor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuradora View Post
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    My qualm was the quick recovery part. You can't heal from damage from Kerry's Origin Bullet.
    Kayneth couldn't because he was basically hit for like 3000damage. Food implies(or at least I think he did) that Aoko wouldn't be majorly damaged by it and would recover. I don't see why Saber's hax regen wouldn't overwhelm something as minor as a partially shorted circuit. It's not like Kayneth literally blew up from getting hit by 3000damage, only his circuit was destroyed, so if Saber is only getting hit by 3damage, I imagine it wouldn't even properly destroy the circuit.

    And then there's the fact that it might only lead her to not being able to use that part of the circuit, so she might lose a limb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuradora View Post
    @BlackField
    My qualm was the quick recovery part. You can't heal from damage from Kerry's Origin Bullet.
    Depends on the target really.

    If you just hit flesh and cause necrosis, while it can't be healed naturally, the dead material can be removed which then allows healing.

    As for the circuit damage? Some weird ass Age of Gods magic could probably restore it, or the 3rd or 5th through different means.

    Time regression based healing could arguable heal both of these as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mAc Chaos View Post
    Would a bullet even get past her armor.
    Armor is pure prana simply solidified, if an OB hit it the effect would activate most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    Kayneth couldn't because he was basically hit for like 3000damage. Food implies(or at least I think he did) that Aoko wouldn't be majorly damaged by it and would recover. I don't see why Saber's hax regen wouldn't overwhelm something as minor as a partially shorted circuit. It's not like Kayneth literally blew up from getting hit by 3000damage, only his circuit was destroyed, so if Saber is only getting hit by 3damage, I imagine it wouldn't even properly destroy the circuit.
    I don't get why food's quote seems hard to understand. It is pretty simple.

    It damages you for how much mana you are using at the time.

    If you are massing a whole ton for a huge spell, you're fucked. But this Aoko character apparently just uses it in tiny bursts really fast, so if you hit her in the middle of that she'd just get a little hurt because she is not using that much mana at any one time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    Armor is pure prana simply solidified, if an OB hit it the effect would activate most likely.
    It depends if she was repairing it at the time. It requires the circuit to be activated to damage the user. Normally, I don't think she is flowing prana into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    It depends if she was repairing it at the time. It requires the circuit to be activated to damage the user. Normally, I don't think she is repairing it.
    When why would getting rid of her armor give her more power?

    She would otherwise just use some power to make the armor then forget about it. Instead there are times she removes it to give herself a power boost.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    When why would getting rid of her armor give her more power?

    She would otherwise just use some power to make the armor then forget about it. Instead there are times she removes it to give herself a power boost.
    Well, wouldn't that just make her armor like a mana storage. She dumps some mana into the armor and forgets about it, then if she needs it later she grabs it for a power up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knick View Post
    When why would getting rid of her armor give her more power?

    She would otherwise just use some power to make the armor then forget about it. Instead there are times she removes it to give herself a power boost.
    Well I don't think she is actually flowing prana into the armor normally. It's like a separate existence till she needs to repair it. It's not like she's throwing hundreds of units of prana into making it before every battle, it just appears and disappears.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vigilantia View Post
    Sounds like Saber is a Magus then (given she has circuits). Although, doesn't that mean if she got hit by Kiritsugu's bullet she'd die?
    All servants have circuits. If they didn't masters wouldn't be able to give them prana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackField View Post
    All servants have circuits. If they didn't masters wouldn't be able to give them prana.
    Not really, Servants are spiritual entities, they do not need a physical conduit like circuits like living things do to have prana flow through them.

    If a servant did not have Circuits in life they don't have them as a HS, its that simple. They don't just spontaneously gain an addition to their soul cause their servants, that's crazy.
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