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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Wut?

    Jack's?
    Or, you know, the one with an anti-world aerial laser fortress. Possibly.

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    Oh, Semiramis.

    Btw, another: When a heroic spirit is used as guardian, who summoned it, Gaia or Alaya? I know that Counter Guardian is exclusively Alaya's, but what about proper heroes from the Thrones?
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    Proper heros are human only, and can't be forcibly summoned.
    gaia has its own things, like primate murder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bdoom View Post
    Proper heros are human only, and can't be forcibly summoned.
    gaia has its own things, like primate murder.
    Yeah, but proper heroes works as a guardian too.

    Alaya's got Counter Guardians, and I know that Primate Murder is the Beast of Gaia, but who get to summon Heroic Spirit? And by summoning, I dont mean magus summoning. I mean an uber-summoning done by the World to protect the world. But which World? Alaya or Gaia?
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    Do we have any canon examples of Elementals? I remember Arc being called one (or being compared to one), but I don't remember where.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    Do we have any canon examples of Elementals? I remember Arc being called one (or being compared to one), but I don't remember where.
    True Ancestors, for one.

    Oh, and legit fairies too.
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    The Lady of the Lake and the ones that stuffed God's Word into their boundary field for a while I think are referenced as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Alaya. Beings that are closer to the Gaian world are Divine Spirits and Elementals.
    So... Alaya got access to Counter Guardians AND Heroic Spirits?

    That seems a bit weird.

    Wait.... wasnt Heroic Spirits that become Heroic Spirits by him/herself also closer to the existence of a planet?
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    I don't believe that Heroic Spirits have a place in the Gaia vs Alaya conflict unless they are Counter Guardians or were influenced by the Counter Force in life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    So... Alaya got access to Counter Guardians AND Heroic Spirits?
    Counter Guardians are Heroic Spirits.

    And the counter force of the planet would be the True Ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Wait.... wasnt Heroic Spirits that become Heroic Spirits by him/herself also closer to the existence of a planet?
    You can call it pseudo-deification of a sort (or not, because on second thought that can be confused with the actual thing). Still, "self-made" heroes are still champions of humanity, so to say, just not Alaya's playthings.
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    One of the prerequisites for being a Heroic Spirit is worship from humanity. That alone ought to tell you something.

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    So.... Gaia could knock on Throne of Heroes' door and it'll get only zip??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby View Post
    Do we have any canon examples of Elementals? I remember Arc being called one (or being compared to one), but I don't remember where.
    Chiron's mother. Lady of the Lake. The things that made Excalibur. Whatever Lancelot and Saber are getting protection from. Whatever is a legit fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    Why would it need to knock on their door? It has gods and monsters on its side.
    Well, since from complete materiale, it is said that Heroic Spirits is closer to planet, and are categorized as Divine Spirits and Elementals. That fall on the domain of Gaia.

    It's also said that Heroic Spirits that aren't Counter Guardians are treated as traditions that lend power to the later people.

    So I sort of assume Gaia has access to non-Counter Guardians Heroic Spirits in the Throne of Heroes.
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