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[I3uster]

Well, Servant 7 would fit better for that idea, but I guess it is your call.

[terraablaze]

Why would Servants be opposing the Magic Association and the church? But I suppose we could more naturally incorporate eight then, we even have the archetypes worked out.

Saber=Dan Smith
Archer= KAEDE Smith
Lancer=Con Smith
Rider=Coyote Smith
Caster=Gracia Smith
Assassin=Kevin Smith
Berserker=Mask De Smith
Avenger= Harman Smith
someone get ficing

[I3uster]

Who is the Harman?
And actually, I'd swap Kaede and Garcia.

[food]

Why the translation for Hollow ataraxia say Void? Same with fuyuki wiki.

I will just stick with the glaring examples from Paradox Spiral, I feel Oblivion Recorder is just a huge mess in my mind.

Chapter 15 when Araya is talking to Alba about how he imprisoned Ryougi
“Baseless fear and nothing more. She is not simply confined to a room,
free to wander. I have contained her in the space between spaces, a pocket
realm within the structure. That is what the Art I wove her is designed to
perform, after all. That besides, her body is weak, and even if she regained
her consciousness, she can expend only little effort to escape. She will not
run.

Also
Chapter 18 after she steps out of the elevator
What is “ ” is antonymic to infinity. The concept of infinity is twinned
with the concept of a finite existence. It is this finite existence, this end of
all things that Shiki Ryōgi observes with her Arcane Eyes, and the same end
that she cuts to make entropy act quickly, almost immediately. The prison
she was contained in was made to be infinite, an inconceivable non-Euclid-
ean space. But there is no true infinity. Only ends, driven by processes both
mechanical and mystical. The only denial of the end that exists is the true
nothingness of “ ”. To this girl, the space was nothing more than a room
with its door unbarred and unguarded. It shames Alaya to admit it as such.


lol Ryougi defying infinity.

Edit: yeah but what does Araya mean in that one part in Chapter 15, that she can hardly move?

I think I found the second part you got there.

閉ざされた空間、マンションの壁と壁の間にもうけた異界の中で目を覚ました彼女は、その腕でありえない空間 の、ありえない壁を斬ったのだ。
　無限は、「　」ではない。無限を無限たらしめるには有限を定めなくてはいけないのだ。有限がなければ無限 など存在しない。物事には果てがあるから、無限という事柄が観測される。両儀式は放りこまれた無限の中で、 ありえない有限を視つけだして断ち切った。
　だが無論、無限の中には有限などない。存在しないものは斬れないが故に、あの檻は脱出が不可能なのである 。
　しかし――有限がなければ、無限はないのだ。有限の壁が無かったにせよ有ったにせよ、両儀式の前にはそん な果てのない世界など意味をなさない。
　有限が本当になければ、それは無限などではなく「　」であり。有限を内包しているのなら、式はそれを視つ けだして断ち切ってしまう。
　……絶対の筈の黒い穴は、この相手にだけはただの狭い暗室にすぎなかったのだと、魔術師は自 身を恥じた。

The translation is kind of... loose.

You can even jam it into Google translate and realise they are not even talking about the same thing.

[food]

Here is my render of the passage.

Infinity is not “ “. In order to render infinity, one must define limits. Without limits, infinity does not exist. Infinity can be observed because objects possess limits. Ryougi Shiki was immersed in infinity, but found the non-existent limit and severed it.
Of course, limits do not exist within infinity, thus one cannot sever something that does not exist. As a result, escaping from this prison is impossible.
However -- - without limits, infinity does not exist. Regardless if a finite wall existed, an limitless world is meaningless before Ryougi Shiki.
If there is no limit, then it is not infinity, but “ “. If limits exist, then Rougi would find it and cut away everything.
…. What is supposed to be an absolute black hole, to an opponent such as Ryougi Shiki is merely a confined dark cell. The magus felt ashamed of himself.

Not sure where the translator got a lot of terms from, unless we are using different books.

EDIT:

Still haven't located the first excerpt you posted.

[TypeWannabe]

I'm just going to go ahead and use this as proof that that translation is someone trolling to the hardcore maximum.

[Cruor]

Not sure where the translator got a lot of terms from, unless we are using different books.

I think the translator went out of his way to use a different term for everything.

[food]

I am not sure. You can tell that the guy is trying to be sophisticated to the extreme. Like using "What is “ ” is antonymic to infinity" instead of just saying " “ ” is not infinity". (I will be honest, I don't even know what "antonymic" means. I had to look it up.)

I think the translator went out of his way to use a different term for everything.

Yes... I kind of feel that too. However, the second half of the passage is kind of, pardon the language, but straight making shit up.

[SeiKeo]

So, no using that TL for serious discussions?

[TypeWannabe]

terraablaze, I believe I have the right to spit in your face and teabag your body now, hm?

[eddyak]

Yes... I kind of feel that too. However, the second half of the passage is kind of, pardon the language, but straight making shit up.

You guys are talking about the Empty Boundaries translation, right?

If so, you really need to stop raging about this. He specifically said he doesn't know the terminology the fandom uses, and added in extra sentences and changed entire paragraphs to make it make sense in english.

[food]

No, but the original makes sense, his translation doesn't. You can see for yourself. He goes out of the way to make it senseless by introducing "Euclidean geometry and entropy" into it.

[Tobias]

responding back to mellon briefly looking around a bit, it seems it always does end up working out that way all the time, either bazett opens with fragerach, or gets facerolled inside a minute, she never really displays any of that actually fighting against a servant ability you would see Ciel/void shiki doing.

[food]

Why the translation for Hollow ataraxia say Void? Same with fuyuki wiki.

I will just stick with the glaring examples from Paradox Spiral, I feel Oblivion Recorder is just a huge mess in my mind.

Chapter 15 when Araya is talking to Alba about how he imprisoned Ryougi
“Baseless fear and nothing more. She is not simply confined to a room,
free to wander. I have contained her in the space between spaces, a pocket
realm within the structure. That is what the Art I wove her is designed to
perform, after all. That besides, her body is weak, and even if she regained
her consciousness, she can expend only little effort to escape. She will not
run.

Found the other one you asked.

そちらの杞憂もいらぬ。アレはマンションの一室に幽閉したのではない。空間と空間を繋げた無限の中に放りこ んだのだ。この歪んだ異界を作り上げた第一の目的は、閉じられた輪を生み出すコト。いかなる手段、いかなる 衝撃をもってしても無限の闇からは抜け出せない。いずれ両儀式が目覚めたとしても、アレにはどうする事もで きぬ。監視などは不要だ。そも、あの傷では起き上がる事さえ困難だろう。目覚めたとしても体は満足に動くま い

[deadfish]

Why the translation for Hollow ataraxia say Void? Same with fuyuki wiki.

Hollow ataraxia OP with random English text, including Void Avesta.

But yeah, really, it's technically Verg. Whatever word Verg is supposed to be.

[Tobias]

big finnish dude.

[Cruor]

I am not sure. You can tell that the guy is trying to be sophisticated to the extreme. Like using "What is “ ” is antonymic to infinity" instead of just saying " “ ” is not infinity". (I will be honest, I don't even know what "antonymic" means. I had to look it up.)

He was probably using a thesaurus. He also put the Clock Tower as the Collegium among other things. That or he's a linguist.

[TypeWannabe]

big finnish dude.

DA BIGGEST.

[food]

Why the translation for Hollow ataraxia say Void? Same with fuyuki wiki.

I will just stick with the glaring examples from Paradox Spiral, I feel Oblivion Recorder is just a huge mess in my mind.

Chapter 15 when Araya is talking to Alba about how he imprisoned Ryougi
“Baseless fear and nothing more. She is not simply confined to a room,
free to wander. I have contained her in the space between spaces, a pocket
realm within the structure. That is what the Art I wove her is designed to
perform, after all. That besides, her body is weak, and even if she regained
her consciousness, she can expend only little effort to escape. She will not
run.

Found the other one you asked.

そちらの杞憂もいらぬ。アレはマンションの一室に幽閉したのではない。空間と空間を繋げた無限の中に放りこ んだのだ。この歪んだ異界を作り 上げた第一の目的は、閉じられた輪を生み出すコト。いかなる手段、いかなる衝撃をもってしても無限の闇から は抜け出せない。いずれ両儀式が目覚めたとして も、アレにはどうする事もできぬ。監視などは不要だ。そも、あの傷では起き上がる事さえ困難だろう。目覚め たとしても体は満足に動くまい

It also is a bit off, but not as wild as the first one.

"It's not necessary for you to worry senselessly. She was not imprisoned in an apartment room; she was placed in the infinity that connects space. The primary purpose of creating this twisted realm was to produce a sealed circle (i.e. the Mobius Strip). It is a boundless darkness that cannot be escaped no matter what method, what power. Even if Ryougi Shiki is awake, she cannot do anything. You do not need to watch her, as it will be difficult for her to even get up with the wounds she has sustained. Even if she awoke, she still could not move her body.

[ItsaRandomUsername]

When Kuzuki dies, about how long would Caster have before she fades out of existence? Or would her magical bullshittery involving a prana pool obtained from soul-sucking keep her alive indefinitely, at least theoretically?