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[Crown]

Archetype mentions White Wing iirc, too.

[Siriel]

"Primate" seems to include Guardians (Heroic Spirits), too, who are not strictly defined as human.

If it included Counter Guardians then his authority would kind of suck, what with several Counter Guardians being able to detain him.

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"I have authority on if those guys live or die! ...Unless there are seven of them in which case welp."

[Leftovers]

How many on the list are actually explicitly brought up in a work and not just in the KT daily messages?

Like Enhance in Tsuki for example.

If we go for absolutely 0 presence outside the DAA lists and dictionaries it's Rozay-en and El Nahat. Alt's knights and White Wing are mentioned in Prelude, Stanrobe and Sumire in MB, the Dark Six are integral to Tsuki 2, and murderdoge is in the murderlist.

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or was el nahat mentioned by ciel? i don't remember

[Crown]

All these things we can't remember; guess it's time to re-read everything.

[Cruor]

How many on the list are actually explicitly brought up in a work and not just in the KT daily messages?

Like Enhance in Tsuki for example.

A lot, I'll just make a table. I'll leave it to You and Mcjon to find the passage/scene.

DAA	Mentioned/appeared in	Scene
ORT	Fate/hollow ataraxia, CM3 (or was it FES?), Fate/Strange Fake
Primate Murder	Fate/hollow ataraxia, CM3 (or was it FES?)
Nrvnqsr Chaos	Fate/Strange Fake, Melty Blood
Zelretch	Fate/stay Night, Fate/hollow ataraxia, MB?, CM3/FES (I forget), Fate/Strange Fake
Brunestud of the Crimson Moon	Fate/stay Night (referenced at least with the Moon's Fall thing), Melty Blood, CM3/FES (I forget)
Standrobe	Melty Blood
Van Fem	Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Strange Fake
Altrouge/Princess of Black Blood or whatever her title was	Melty Blood
White Wing (I can't spell his fucking name lololol)	Melty Blood
Sumire	Melty Blood
Einnashe	Talk, and kinda in KT?
Enhance	Prelude
Wallachia	Melty Blood
Alcatraz aka Keitai-san	AATM, Mahoutsukai no Hako/Starlit Marmalade, Fate/Strange Fake, Fate/Labrynth

[Crown]

Cruor, why don't you believe me White Wing is mentioned by Archertype in one of her quotes?

[Cruor]

Because I spent awhile writing that post that I didn't see anything that happened in the meanwhile.

And yes, she did.

[Dartz]

Whoops I said Enhance was mentioned outside of Tsuki. Sans Talk, he wasn't.

He is mentioned in Ciel's route. Then again, none of this matters. The Tsuki remake is most likely going to have a new canon, it couldn't be linked to KT or MB due to the designs, let alone other work's AUs.

[Cruor]

He is mentioned in Ciel's route. Then again, none of this matters. The Tsuki remake is most likely going to have a new canon, it couldn't be linked to KT or MB due to the designs, let alone other work's AUs.

I said mentioned outside of Tsuki.

[Leftovers]

Zelretch, Alcatraz and Van-Fem cameo in Strange Fake, and Jester also wants to wake up the spider. Also there is the Nero in crusades quote. Alcatraz's labyrinth is also part of Fate/Labyrinth or something?

[Cruor]

He is mentioned in Ciel's route. Then again, none of this matters. The Tsuki remake is most likely going to have a new canon, it couldn't be linked to KT or MB due to the designs, let alone other work's AUs.

Also, we were doing this cuz we wanna know who can't really be changed as they've been mentioned elsewhere.

Zelretch, Alcatraz and Van-Fem cameo Strange Fake, and Jester also wants to wake up the spider. Also there is the Nero in crusades quote. Alcatraz's labyrinth is also part of Fate/Labyrinth or something?

I knew Van Fem was mentioned recently! Thank you!

Yeah, for some reason I thought Nrvnqsr crusades thing was Prototype lololol.

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also iirc Fate/Labyrinth took place in one of several of Alcatraz's labyrinths or some shit.

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Oh and an unnamed DAA in Mahoyo that Touko + Beo beat.

[Dartz]

Also, we were doing this cuz we wanna know who can't really be changed as they've been mentioned elsewhere.

Isn't it likely the Tsuki remake is going to be an AU? I don't see it overwriting the old canon, and too many things are changed beyond the DAA for it to be consistent with KT, MB and other works anymore.

[Cruor]

Uhh, with Nasu's comment that 'some of the old DAA's seem to have been fired' makes us think that the canon is being overwritten.

We are just trying to think of who could be overwritten without causing everything to need a Remake.

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I mean, technically, French Bread was saying they wanted to Remake Melty Blood after Tsukihime Remake as well. So Nasu will prolly take that chance to make it fit with everything.

[Hachibi]

Maybe the Tsukihime Remake is going to include KT and MB. That's unlikely tho.

[Peanut-007]

Halfway through it turns into a fighting game?

[Hachibi]

Halfway through it turns into a fighting game?

Well Storm 3 did turn into a hack and slash at some points.

Tho I don't mean it literally, just the story and stuff.

[Siriel]

Channeling the power of irony, Nasu will retcon out Crimson Moon.

[Haseo Nanaya]

Maybe the Tsukihime Remake is going to include KT and MB. That's unlikely tho.

I had this Idea a while ago in the remake thread.

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I keep thinking Nahat is in Mahoutsukai no Hako/Starlit Marmalad.

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What was the manga (that was translated) that had the blonde church girl with weapons in her stomach? I know it's Mahoutsukai no Hako/Starlit Marmalad but which chapter?

[You]

So because of all the shenanigans mordred pulled, clarent is degraded to C except when blood arthur is activated at which point it's A+ and causes pain to use. So would a undegraded Clarent be A+(+?) all the time and not cause pain?

It makes me wonder actually, what are the conditions that causes the debuff (or perhaps what are the conditions to stop the debuff).

I mean, while there's Clarent and stuff like Gil's Divinity, there's also stuff like Arondight, Gram/Balmung, and I guess Excalibur in Alter mode.

Clarent is rankdown and less sharp since Mordred isn't the King. If Mordred was the King then Clarent would be sharper.
The true worth of Clarent is that it's an amplification sword which lets her burst harder.

...『燦然と輝く王剣』 は本来、王たる者だけが持つべき剣であり、それ以外の所有を拒むものだ。
だが、モードレッドはそれを強引に握り締めた。剣が王を選ぶのではなく、王が剣を選ぶのだと胸 を張った。
それ故に、王が握るよりも切れ味では劣っている。しかし、そもそもこの剣の真価は単純な切れ味などではない 。

この王剣が司るのは、"増幅"。王の威光を増し、王の戦いに祝福を与えるもの。

Blood Arthur is completely different from Clarent

This phenomenon wasn’t this sword’s original nature. The proof of kingship that King Arthur had obtained and kept stored away, Clarent: Radiant Sword of the King—the sword that Mordred had stolen and used to deal a fatal wound to King Arthur.

Its transformation into an evil sword was due to that episode in her legend. When Mordred held this sword, the sword of the king transformed into an evil sword of hatred.

So Clarent is 2 NPs in Mordreds hands but if it was in Saber's it'd only be one.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

For all that is made of Gil and Shirou being walking armories, I wonder if a non-mobage Heroic Spirit Saber would just be loaded down with swords.

"And now for the Sword of Promised Victory! While you I will darken my sword to be Excalibur Morgan! And this one calls for the Golden Sword of Victory! But you, you I only need to deal with via the Sword of Radiance! But you, foul beast, you only deserve the Sword That Kay Once Gifted To Me As A Five Year Old Girl To Play With In the Back Yard When Guests Came Over."