Lancelot isn't available without Avenger corruption?Originally Posted by You
Lancelot isn't available without Avenger corruption?
Aus Feuer ward der Geist geschaffen,
drum schenkt mir süßes Feuer ein!
Die Lust der Lieder und der Waffen,
die Lust der Liebe schenkt mir ein,
der Trauben süßes Sonnenblut,
das Wunder glaubt und Wunder thut!
Berserker Lancelot isn't.
He's mentioned to be like a vengeful ghost, like how Medusa was described or something along those lines.
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here it is.A Servant. That was plain. Yet, just what Heroic Spirit was this sinister appearance?
This black knight definitely didn't have any of the "radiance" that bore the other Servants who were already there. Arturia, Diarmuid, and the King of Conquerors Alexander as well as the yet unannounced golden Archer all have that "shine". This is the expression of the pride of a Heroic Spirit. The honor of the legends everyone praises and longs for. This is an essential element of their "noble phantasm".
But the newly appeared black knight had none of it. You could say he was closer to an Assassin. The darkness around the black armor definitely held a "negative surge".
Thus, more than a Heroic Spirit, he might be labelled a vengeful spirit instead...
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I'm not certain if it's related, but didn't he mention come into contact with the corruption in the grail or something along those lines?
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In the einzbern dojo thing, I mean.
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consultation room
That place is a dojo and no one can tell me otherwise. Iri even has a Glaive for heaven's sake
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So basically by your logic, you cant have the berserker class without Avenger
What? No.
Berserker Herc works fine.
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Berserker Spartacus works fine.
Just no sir mopes-a-lots
Last edited by You; September 11th, 2015 at 07:12 PM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Easily. Manaka says that not even the three Knight Classes combined can take him.
Like, Ramesses' Sphinx alone is as strong as three Servants.
Last edited by Christemo; September 11th, 2015 at 07:13 PM.
There are heroes who were very angry while being heroes. And also various people like Spartacus.
Lancelot as a Berserker isn't heroic anymore because he's lost in his despair.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
The Fuyuki fire.
"At first, he hated his new sibling.
He did not want any outsiders coming into the special Matou household.
But the boy started to accept his sister day by day.
The girl named Sakura was silent and ordinary, no more capable than a guard dog.
It is a waste of time to be hostile against someone like that, and it is more charming if one is to consider her a servant."
And so on about how it satisfied his pride to know that his sister would be raised as a normal person unaware of magic.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
Was this a HF scene?
Yes, it's the one with Shinji's backstory (Distortion).
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
Thanks again Siriel.
Which is literally after the war proper
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Good thing Arthur is worth 4 or more Servants then. How much do you think Archer and Lancer are worth?
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So if you are a legit hero but are not heroic as a berserker, as in, you are moved by other emotions besides primal rage, you need Avenger to play overseer? What?
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Before Avenger, the Fuyuki Grail only summons proper 'heroes' (Hassan aside). It doesn't have anything to do with Berserker in particuliar.
People who were driven into insanity and became not-heroes like Gilles or Lancelot aren't proper heroes anymore and wouldn't be summoned.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
Now it'd be interesting to know what exactly makes them not-heroes as Berserker when they could normaly be summoned as other classes.
Also whether this also works to "exclude" other classes for certain heroes
Aus Feuer ward der Geist geschaffen,
drum schenkt mir süßes Feuer ein!
Die Lust der Lieder und der Waffen,
die Lust der Liebe schenkt mir ein,
der Trauben süßes Sonnenblut,
das Wunder glaubt und Wunder thut!
different classes means different parts of your anecdote get shoved in.
That's why there's classes in the first place, so you don't have to shove the entire heroic spirit info in there.
And yes, it does.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
As a Berserker, Lancelot is a man who fell into despair and was driven to madness by guilt, therefore not a hero.
As a Caster, Gilles is someone who fell into madness and depravity and summons demons, obviously not a hero.
Ragnarok, come day of wrath
That fallen souls might bear our plea.
To hasten the Divine's return.
O piteous Wanderer.
And? You asked for something Avenger did, I answered.
and killed his comrades.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
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