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[forumghost]

Why did Kirei and Tokiomi even do that, again?

They wanted to force Alex to play his Trump Card so they could find a way to beat it

[Roxas]

because the plot says so

[Washada]

They wanted to force Alex to play his Trump Card so they could find a way to beat it

I would've seriously considered the possibility of Gilgamesh killing them all because they disturbed their wine-drinking.

[Blank_]

I would've seriously considered the possibility of Gilgamesh killing them all because they disturbed their wine-drinking.

But then where would the plot go?

[forumghost]

I would've seriously considered the possibility of Gilgamesh killing them all because they disturbed their wine-drinking.

Tokiomi is just lucky none of the wine Assassin spilled managed to besmirch his Golden Armour.

[Washada]

But then where would the plot go?

During the Chtuhulu (no idea how to write that) incident, Rider says "Hey guys, I've got a RM with a huge army and I could do something with it!".
Then everyone knows about it and Assassin murders Waver when he's resting.

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Hem, can Servants fly/move through air when in spirit form? That's how Diarmuid gets on Lancelot's jet, right?

[Ratman]

Assassin not killing Waver at the banquet

Didn't they try that in the sewers? Iskandar blocked the dirk back then, and since he was by at the banquet they just didn't try anymore?

[Mcjon01]

I've actually wondered about shirou being healed by Avalon. You need a connection to saber to make the sheathe work. Perhaps the reason it was able to do so is shirou had already been placed on the grail's shortlist as to possibilities for the summoning of servant saber in the 5th war.

That was actually brought up in FSN, after the church scene at the end of the Fate route:

"That was before we made a contract, correct?
The sheath is my Noble Phantasm. It does not exhibit its power as a Noble Phantasm until magical energy is channeled into it. You cannot obtain your immortality unless you make a contract with me."

"…Well, I am sure it will protect the possessor's life if any magical energy is in it, but it will be weak. I am sure fusing with the sheath was the only way to save a dying person."

[Desuclocker]

Hem, can Servants fly/move through air when in spirit form? That's how Diarmuid gets on Lancelot's jet, right?

That's how Lancelot gets on Lancelot's jet, in fact.

[Arha]

He jump good.

[Washada]

That's how Lancelot gets on Lancelot's jet, in fact.

I didn't even think of that, but that's still perfect for my point.
Can't they spirit form away in the air whenever they're in trouble?

[forumghost]

I didn't even think of that, but that's still perfect for my point.
Can't they spirit form away in the air whenever they're in trouble?

Only if they want to get rekd by the enemy Servant because Servants can still affect other Servants even if they de-materialise

[Tobias]

I didn't even think of that, but that's still perfect for my point.
Can't they spirit form away in the air whenever they're in trouble?

Havent we danced this waltz before?

[Blank_]

Only if they want to get rekd by the enemy Servant because Servants can still affect other Servants even if they de-materialise

How fast would they be in spirit form?

Never mind. I forgot that servants are supersonic

[Washada]

Only if they want to get rekd by the enemy Servant because Servants can still affect other Servants even if they de-materialise

Hence the "in the air". Unless they're not fast enough to escape?
And it'd be limited to opponents with little range, I guess.

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Havent we danced this waltz before?

We have. Just before the thing about Gilgamesh not actually being the first hero, I think.
But now we're talking about flying away.

[eddyak]

Is it just me being over-judgmental or is Fate/Zero very inconsistent with lots of plot convenient moments?
e.g: Iskandar dodging Excaliblast at point blank by jumping upwards, Assassin not killing Waver at the banquet, Kiritsugu not healing Maya with Avalon, etc.

Not upwards. He jumped off his chariot, grabbed onto a tree to stop Waver falling and popping his skull open on the rocks.

[Blank_]

He jumped

There's an upwards vector in his movement.

[SpoonyViking]

Not upwards. He jumped off his chariot, grabbed onto a tree to stop Waver falling and popping his skull open on the rocks.

You'd think Medusa and her A-Rank Agility would have been able to do the same, if it were that easy.

[eddyak]

You'd think Medusa and her A-Rank Agility would have been able to do the same, if it were that easy.

Medusa was committed.

Not like that other scrub, not even trusting in the power of his own NP.

[Tobias]

I kind of get the idea that defensively the Bellerophon enhanced Pegasus was stronger then the chariot. There is some side material which suggests that the clash between Excalibur and ride was more even then it seemed. In other words, medusa might have had reason to think she could win the clash and break through Excalibur whereas iskander took one look at what was happening and realized he was hopelessly outmatched.

also, again, iskander was actually injured by the blast radius. The anime didn't portray that very well.