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The coolest.Originally Posted by Mcjon01
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Oh yeah. I should be looking at the NP's rank, not the STR rank.
So Shirou reproduced his strength to carry the sword, right?
What about God Hand though? "Converts the body into a robust armor."
Is that implying that it's an outer shell kind of thing?
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Evidence adds up to him not having God Hand, though chances are good Nasu just plain forgot. Like you said, he only died eleven times, he'd been soaked in a curse, and stronger curses win out over weaker ones (God Hand's been described as a blessing turned curse or somesuch), he was connected to the Grail through Sakura and would've restored his lives pretty damn quickly if God Hand was intact, and if he'd had God Hand he'd have restored to full working condition rather than running around without any skin and rotting after he died once.
Archer didn't do it because it was a desperation move, and only author plothax bullshit gave Shirou the exact technique he needed when he projected Herc's weapon. Archer would never be stupid enough to go with a weapon he doesn't know how to use against a stronger opponent, whereas Shirou had nothing that could hurt Herc, so he decided to go with the insane move that had a one in a million chance of actually working.
My own headcanon is that Caliburn has some property that can just shit all over any sort of divine protection or somesuch, though it's probably just plothax at work again.
A rank strength punches right through God Hand.
And yeah, God Hand is the entire body, not just the skin.
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Tbh I always just assumed he died 11 times off-screen.
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Huh, that made me think
Is Herc's lige stock replenished with time or is a huge amount of mana necessary for one life?
Would Sakura with the Grail be able to recharge God Hand faster, or would there be no difference?
Well, they do say that HSs can remake or repair their NPs with enough time and mana, it's probably that.
I'd assume it'd take a shorter amount of time to remake one if you had enough mana, which is why Illya can regen two resurrection NPs within three days.
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While we're at it, there's something I never really got about God Hand.
-A rank strength goes through it.
-B rank and lower attacks do not go through it.
-B rank and lower NPs don't go though it (would KoH-buffed stuff break/bounce off on Heracles?).
-If I hit God Hand with my B rank NP and A rank strength without calling the True Name, does it get through?
-If I hit God Hand with my B rank NP and A rank strength and call the True Name, does it get through?
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Ah, ok. Do you know of any drawing of that?
Yes to the first, no to the second seems to be the way it works. Though I suppose if you get the B rank np pass his skin first with A strength and then activate it.....
A rank strength gets a B ranked NP through it.
A ranked NP gets B ranked strength to do it, though you're still cutting through Heracles, which is basically like cutting through a small building, only meatier, and buildings can't usually pick you up by the skull and pull at either end till you look like Stretch Armstrong. Doesn't count if the A ranked NP is covered by a C-rank air chainsaw.
Knight of Honour would get through if it was wielded by A rank strength.
It's a weird system where quality works over quantity- an attack's just got to be "of the highest caliber".
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Nah, GH is his body itself, it isn't just his skin.
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So anyone with their B rank or lower Strength and an A rank NP would produce an attack "of the highest caliber"?
Does that mean that, like, Shakespeare can pick up Excalibur and go potentially injure Herc with it?
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I don't think Shakespeare can swing a sword like Excalibur or anything similar correctly. He's no swordsman, and his capability in combat is pretty much nil.
But I bet Astolfo can do something like that! At least he's something of a knight.
That what I ment by "potentially". It wouldn't actually work, but it could happen. And I think anyone can poke something with a sword as long as they can lift it.
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Basically if it feels right or is dramatic it works and if it's dumb and lame it doesn't, plot power 101 it's not a science experiment.
Come on! Even without God Hand, I don't think Herc's skin is like butter...is it? I'm not actually sure if something like high endurance or body structure can influences how well a sword passes through a body. And "poking" causing injury seems like a stretch.
If evidence is adding up that Herc doesn't have GH, then it's not plothax for Archer to not go for NLBW, because it wouldn't pass his GH in Fate anyway.
Also, how does Archer not know a weapon after only looking at it? He and Shirou can know a weapon's ability just by looking at it.
One in a million chance? What's causing it to fail?
So he didn't have GH at the time. His body rotting away should be an indication to GH's malfunction or something.
It's not, I think. It was just that one time when Shirou cut Herc's arm with Caliburn.
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