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[Rafflesiac]

Stop making me want the Emiya, Shirou Emiya story we'll never get

[RoydGolden]

Stop making me want the Emiya, Shirou Emiya story we'll never get

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[castor212]

But you can't accept a not-bullet made out of rib bones and spells magically necrosising the food as "magic"?

correct me if im wrong, but it seems the bullet is still very much metal. Putting aside the grinded rib bones inside it, the bulet sounds like its still standard Sprigfield bullet, only encased inside the bullet.

extracted ribs were grinded into dust, condensed with a craft to preserve the soul, and sealed within sixty-six bullets as their core

I cant accept a normal bullet forged by normal armory company fired with a normal gun can magically disappear and lost its kinetic energy, whether or not there is a magic bone dust sealed within it.
And sorry but when you said the bullet is spiritual i had to raise my eyebrow. Its a physical bullet casing made out of metal forged with normal smithing method. Its not like its a spiritual body or anything. The bone is still physical bone, the bullet casing is still physical metal.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

It

1) isn't a normal bullet
2) isn't forged by a normal armory company
3) isn't fired by a normal gun

so...

[castor212]

It

1) isn't a normal bullet
2) isn't forged by a normal armory company
3) isn't fired by a normal gun

so...

Im sorry, I dont understand. I thought he .30-06 Springfield is a normal bullet case being produced by Springfield armory company, a normal armory company.

I mean, of course, I get that the bone dust is magical and such. The gun i can accept if it gets "magical treatment". The metal bullet where the bone dust is sealed in? Not really. Less so if you can make an actual physical metal bullet a spiritual body.

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Ill jsut suspend my sense of disbelief.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

I have a hard time trying to understand what the problem is.

He isn't hitting people with bullet casings in the first place, so, like I said, what's wrong? If a regular person picks up a magic sword and swings it, are you going to have a problem with the fact that the delivery of the blow, the person and their arm, is nonmagical, therefore the sword shouldn't work?

He isn't hitting people with a gun that is factory default. He isn't hitting people with a normal bullet. What else is there to say? Unless you've had the experience of firing a magic gun with magic bullets that magically impart your magic specialty in a magic world to magic enemies, why is it not supposed to work like its described?

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WHAT IM ASKING IS HOW MUCH EDGIER MUST HE BE FOR THIS TO WORK?!?!?!?!?!?!11

[castor212]

About the effect, You and McJon already told me that its a magically manufactured gun so

I can accept that, ifd thats the case.

But he is firing people with the bullet itself. Inside it is the bone dust, yes, but the bullet itself is still very much standard factory bullet?

I mean, unless this part is translated wrongly

extracted ribs were grinded into dust, condensed with a craft to preserve the soul, and sealed within sixty-six bullets as their core

the bullet is just a physical bullet, but with magic bone dust inside.

How is taht a spiritual?

[forumghost]

WHAT IM ASKING IS HOW MUCH EDGIER MUST HE BE FOR THIS TO WORK?!?!?!?!?!?!11

Clearly he should take a leaf out of his son's book and Overedge

[Arashi_Leonhart]

the bullet is just a physical bullet, but with magic bone dust inside.

Rin's gems are just gems, but with magic blood poured over it?
Shirou's metal poster is just a metal poster, but with imaginary energy funneled into it?
Kotomine's clothes are just clothes, but with kevlar lining and sigils drawn on it?

I don't see you complaining about those? Or about how, for instance, when a Shiki is swinging a knife at something but then instead of being wounded like someone stabbed them, they're fading from existence or having ghosts dispelled from their body or poison or illness suddenly is no longer with them.

[castor212]

Rin's gems are just gems, but with magic blood poured over it?
Shirou's metal poster is just a metal poster, but with imaginary energy funneled into it?
Kotomine's clothes are just clothes, but with kevlar lining and sigils drawn on it?

Im not complaining about those because they dont suddenly turn spiritual. THey are still very much a physical thing, albeit magical.
But you said Origin Bullet is spiritual. That confuses me. So Im complaining.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Im not complaining about those because they dont suddenly turn spiritual

I'm confused as to how you can think Rin's gems suddenly becoming icicles that freeze Herk as not being spiritual. Or, like



pictured: Shiki not actually severing her collarbone

[castor212]

I'm confused as to how you can think Rin's gems suddenly becoming icicles that freeze Herk as not being spiritual. Or, like

pictured: Shiki not actually severing her collarbone

because I thought, CMIIW, that for a thing to be spiirtual is having spiritual properties where a shape is constructed without components with physical properties.

Not complaining about Shiki because I understand the knifge is not hurting the collarbone, just lines or dots of death, so i understand why it went through.

but, ice is physical. So is poster hardening. So is anti-bullet priest robe. So are bullets.

So Im honestly confused why would you call the magical physical bullets spiritual.
Unless you just mean spiritual = magical

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Not complaining about Shiki because I understand the knifge is not hurting the collarbone, just lines or dots of death, so i understand why it went through.

Yes, but, where is the knife going? You seem to have this strange thing of, "but the bullet should be wounding them!" Why then is it okay for the completely normal knife that is in the space where a body should be not cutting the body like a knife should do fine, but a magical bullet imparting its effect onto a body while not harming it like a bullet should not okay?

So Im honestly confused why would you call the magical physical bullets spiritual.
Unless you just mean spiritual = magical

Conceptual Weapons affect the soul? Yes, I'm being blase about the term with the other examples, but, seriously, its a conceptual weapon. They're soul crushers.

[castor212]

You seem to have this strange thing of, "but the bullet should be wounding them!" .

I dont. I mean, I would if its a completely normal gun, firing a normal bullet. But

About the effect, You and McJon already told me that its a magically manufactured gun so

Alright then. I can accept that, ifd thats the case.

I already understand that. Im just fixated on the bullet because how could a physical material bullet go spiritual properties?

Yes, I'm being blase about the term with the other examples, but, seriously, its a conceptual weapon

Oh ok. Now this, I can understand.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

I don't know. How does a physical material knife go spiritual properties?

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Or physical, material scabbard? Or physical, material bible pages? Or physical, material pile driver that's actually a horse girl?

Seriously, you just have a weird, arbitrary idea of why magic A is fine, but magic A isn't fine.

[castor212]

why magic A is fine, but magic A isn't fine.

Why are you putting things in my mouth now? Im fine with Magic A if it makes sense.

i dont personally believe the knife go spiritual properties. My understanding from Tsukihime is that the knife is still normal and physical, but it slices the crack of death.
So my understanding is that the knife is very much physical, but it went in to slice the "crack" of death that actualy exist, but normal people just cant see. Now Im fine with that.

Im fine with a fairy origin Noble Phantasm not-normal scabbard made by spirits being not normal and can go unphysical.

Im fine with spiritual horse spirit being a spiritual elemetnal possessing within the physical piledriver that stays physcial piledriver, while the horse spirit can manifest.

Im also fine with magically manufactured gun doing necrosis instead of piercing through. I wouldnt be fine if its normal gun, but people here has explained to me its not normal gun, so im fine with it.
I wasnt fine with you calling the bullet spiritual when my understanding of spiritual is "not having physical properties". But you said youre just being blase, so im fine with it now.


So Im fine with those. It has reasons. It makes sense. Im fine with a magic if it has reasons why. Im not fine with a magic if it does not have reasons why.
Please dont put words on my mouth.

[LJ3]

The bullets are magic because they have magic bone dust in them.

this is not hard to understand

[castor212]

The bullets are magic because they have magic bone dust in them.

this is not hard to understand

what are you even talking about

I asked why is the bullet spiritual, not why is it magic

[Vacha]

uh, since magic can hurt spiritual thingies...?

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well since the bullet can deal spiritual damage so it so far off to call it spiritual bullet, i think?

[Raxzero]

Yes, but, where is the knife going? You seem to have this strange thing of, "but the bullet should be wounding them!" Why then is it okay for the completely normal knife that is in the space where a body should be not cutting the body like a knife should do fine, but a magical bullet imparting its effect onto a body while not harming it like a bullet should not okay?

I thought Shiki's knife first cuts the lines then cuts the body. I'm sure Arcueid said something like "When you cut one of the enemy's lines you kill him first then damage his body." to Shiki.