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    Heroic Spirits just follow the 43-year old tradition of
    SPECIAL DEFENSES: +1 or better weapon to hit
    You need magic to hit a ghost, y'know. (Even if I took that quote from the Succubus rather than Ghost since the latter hides it in the middle of a paragraph.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Reread the Vn and youll realize Kuzuki fist is magically emhanced by a witch from AoG

    Its not inconsistence so much as your usual habit.
    No I remember that his fist was enhanced, but you took only part of it, you'd think him throwing her into a wall wouldn't hurt her as the wall has no magic, I mean servants move at similiar speeds all the time and don't seem to break there foot.
    I mean kuzuki barely hurt emiya without the magic....
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    What gives you the impression the wall did damage to her to begin with?

    And emiya was ready and anticipating all of Kuzuki's trick and battle style. Saber wasnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    What gives you the impression the wall did damage to her to begin with?

    And emiya was ready and anticipating all of Kuzuki's trick and battle style. Saber wasnt.
    I'd have to go reread it, but it is a battle and I would assume the throwing did something...
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    There was this bits where Mordred got hit by the deadly weapon known as...the ground.


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    Exactly, totally consistent
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GundamFSN View Post
    There was this bits where Mordred got hit by the deadly weapon known as...the ground.
    and where exactly do you think leylines reside?

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    i simply see that as physics doing its job and not actually hurting mordred tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ereus View Post
    Exactly, totally consistent
    yes it is.

    hitting a ground that high doesnt make her go kersplat and she immediately recovered afterward, while a simple sword swing from a Servant can broke another Servants' collarbone.

    Assuming you are trying to be sarcastic, maybe know the scene before you actually attempt it next time. Just an advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    i simply see that as physics doing its job and not actually hurting mordred tho

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    yes it is.

    hitting a ground that high doesnt make her go kersplat and she immediately recovered afterward, while a simple sword swing from a Servant can broke another Servants' collarbone.

    Assuming you are trying to be sarcastic, maybe know the scene before you actually attempt it next time. Just an advice.
    Except you are moving the goalposts here, We were arguing over 'can a servant be hurt by anything mundane'
    I'll grab the quote off the LP archive,
    "Of course it's amazing. Not just Saber, but all the Servants are heroic spirits. There's the fact that they're spirits, but they can't be hurt by normal means. That's because Servants themselves are divine mysteries."
    I mean someone falling from a large height is rather 'mundane'
    Don't move the the goalposts.
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    I am not?

    Point me to the text that says Mordred was hurt by the falling?

    I am saying that she was paralyzed for a few seconds due to a massive momentum working on her physical body; otherwise after she gets up after that just fine.
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    I'm not familiar with the text heavily so go to GundamFSN.
    I mean there are plenty of non spirits in nasu that can take similar stresses like dead apostles and such.
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    and that...proves what, pray tell? she drops from 60 meters flat in a physical body and had momentum feeedback stopping her for a few seconds. Point me to a dead apostle doing just that and can just abandon physics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    and that proves what, pray tell? she drops from 60 meters flat and had momentum feeedback stopping her for a few seconds. Point me to a dead apostle doing just that and can just abandon physics.
    And I can point to a skinny highschooler and such just disappearing from sight in a instant AKA shiki.
    Ill go and reread apoc for this now.
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    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    Dont move the goal post. Thats an action, not a reaction.

    I mean, youre pretty proud about having enough knowledge in actual science to criticize about it right? Surely you know the differnce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    Dont move the goal post. Thats an action, not a reaction.
    Touche, but Ill just say this, Considering in strange fake a dead apostle was able to see alcides arrow, break a water tower and use the water to shield himself in the time it took it to travel to him.....
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ereus View Post
    Touche, but Ill just say this, Considering in strange fake a dead apostle was able to see alcides arrow, break a water tower and use the water to shield himself in the time it took it to travel to him.....
    surely someone like you, who can criticize about science, know that that still counts as an action in physics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    surely someone like you, who can criticize about science, know that that still counts as an action in physics?
    Servants seem to have physics apply to them only sometimes, you know this.
    The 'human' body does not have the muscle power to move at speeds servant do, you could say 'magic' but again Achilles should have some significant issue's with friction at the speeds he moves, you could say since there spirits it does not apply except we know a lot of servants were stronger in life than in servant hood.
    Not even getting into other noble phantasms.
    I mean the sheer heat of excalibur that people seem to talk about should do a lot of things near the beam.
    Again the argument is moving, can we move back to the point of whether a servant can be hurt by 'mundane means'
    With the way the keep adding shit to gils vault, soon he will have the root in it.

    Life is short, we don't need to shitpost at eachother about nasu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    i simply see that as physics doing its job and not actually hurting mordred tho.
    There's only one thing to do. We need to see whether Mordred winced when she's being flung or when she hits the ground.

    Unless Higa cuts the battle because "Eh. If I cut this battle I can give Astolfo more screentime!"


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    A throwing technique…!?

    The instant that Saber realized what he was doing, she was flung through the air upside down. It was similar to a one-armed shoulder throw in judo, but the way it immobilized the joints of her wrists was completely merciless.

    Archer… Chiron was the greatest sage among the centaurs and received various teachings from the gods such as learning medicine and music from the sun god Apollo and hunting from the goddess Artemis. And so, young and immature heroes gathered around him and learned various teachings and fighting techniques under his wing.
    The sword, lance, and bow—besides those, Archer had also acquired techniques for fighting bare-handed as a matter of course. They consisted of perfect hand-to-hand combat techniques that combined boxing and wrestling.

    That fighting style was Pankration1—the world’s oldest mixed martial arts spoken of in Ancient Greek tales.
    “Gah…!!”

    Hitting the deadly weapon known as the ground, Saber’s eyes widened as she experienced an impact that seemed to make her very guts reverberate. Her entire body froze for just a few seconds as if she was tied down with chains. It was an extremely lethal situation for her—however, despite the fact that Saber had fallen down, Archer didn’t finish her off; instead, he fell down to his knees in anguish. The wound from the blade that had bit into his shoulder, even if it wasn’t a fatal wound, was extremely close to being so.
    From Apo vol2 chapter 2-5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ereus View Post
    Servants seem to have physics apply to them only sometimes, you know this.
    The 'human' body does not have the muscle power to move at speeds servant do, you could say 'magic' but again Achilles should have some significant issue's with friction at the speeds he moves, you could say since there spirits it does not apply except we know a lot of servants were stronger in life than in servant hood.
    Not even getting into other noble phantasms.
    I mean the sheer heat of excalibur that people seem to talk about should do a lot of things near the beam.
    Again the argument is moving, can we move back to the point of whether a servant can be hurt by 'mundane means'
    no i dont
    first of all, they have physical body, but not "human" body.
    your example invalid because one needs to be moving at 2000mph, give or take the supersonic flow, to start create friction in the air. do we know if achilles speed ever went so much as that? no, we dont know
    people talk about heat with excalibur? i thought any people who actually read TM stuffs knows that its in the end a kinetic slash, not heat energy


    well, the argument keeps on moving because you are presenting argument over argument that makes it keep moving away. Im simply responding to you.
    blame yourself for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by GundamFSN View Post
    There's only one thing to do. We need to see whether Mordred winced when she's being flung or when she hits the ground.

    Unless Higa cuts the battle because "Eh. If I cut this battle I can give Astolfo more screentime!"
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