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    Quote Originally Posted by castor212 View Post
    I dunno, Alcides physical feats have been pretty threathening so far. And thats with his godly constitution removed.
    Isn't that because the Sash to power-up his arrows and the Nemean pelt for defense?
    At least the only thing that I can remember is him taken a direct hit from Hippolyta's punch

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    He also got very, very briefly beat down by Jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    Herc's entire role in the story is to appear threatening so we can be suitably impressed/terrified whenever Shirou/Saber/Gil deals with him effortlessly.
    And the VN did a wonderful job of that. In Fate, he nearly kills Saber immediately. In UBW, it takes two Servants and a terrain advantage for Saber and Archer to put up any sort of real fight against Herk.

    The anime depiction of that same fight is utter garbage once you get past the memes, simply because Saber gets depicted as too powerful. This cheapens the fight between her and Kojirou, but then throws everything out of whack when YAMASODACHI appears.
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Then again, most of the problem comes of him bein too reliant of his God Hand make him an unstoppable monster rather than being most threatening because of his strenght or way to fight, something that at least I grateful to see with his pankration in the anime

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    Not really. Day 3 drives home the point that Herk is a nightmare because of how strong and fast he is. God Hand is just icing on the cake.
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    Not really. Day 3 drives home the point that Herk is a nightmare because of how strong and fast he is. God Hand is just icing on the cake.
    Against Saber who already fought against Cu and EMIYA in that day. Then at day 11 when she was recharged (not fully) she can clash attacks and make him lose balance where if isn't by his skin that would have ended badly for him

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    What VN did you read, that her confrontation with Archer constituted a fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    What VN did you read, that her confrontation with Archer constituted a fight?
    The same where Shirou shows concern about it saying something like "shit, this is already her third battle"

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    I still remember I was shitting brick when i first saw Herc in the VN, combined with that BGM it truly give a "oh shit Shirou and Rin are fucked sideway" feel

    The Anime feel way too shounen-ish and makes Saber appear stronger than she is at the time

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    Maybe... Saber is stronger in anime than in the visual novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuno View Post
    Isn't that because the Sash to power-up his arrows and the Nemean pelt for defense?
    At least the only thing that I can remember is him taken a direct hit from Hippolyta's punch
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    Eh, can we agree the animation is at least redeemable and voice actors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuno View Post
    Against Saber who already fought against Cu and EMIYA in that day. Then at day 11 when she was recharged (not fully) she can clash attacks and make him lose balance where if isn't by his skin that would have ended badly for him
    It's hard to take the wound caused by Gae Bolg seriously when it doesn't appear to hinder Saber unless the plot demands it. As much as I didn't like Zero, at least Diarmuid's hit was relevant.
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    This makes me want to ask how much did of the anime did Nasu supervise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    This makes me want to ask how much did of the anime did Nasu supervise?
    He apparently wrote the script for it, so alot I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trubo View Post
    It's hard to take the wound caused by Gae Bolg seriously when it doesn't appear to hinder Saber unless the plot demands it. As much as I didn't like Zero, at least Diarmuid's hit was relevant.
    Well that was one of those times when we saw her bleeding from her chest during the fight against Herk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuno View Post
    Well that was one of those times when we saw her bleeding from her chest during the fight against Herk
    Only ever mentioned during the Fate and, I think, the HF versions of that scene. In UBW though, while we do see a blood CG, it's a result of Saber getting swatted away by Herk the first time, no mention of Saber and Cu's battle.

    Another scene that could have been fixed with the anime, but ufo went the other direction because Saber wanking is money.
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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    That's talking about the day 3 fight in UBW where it wasn't the shiniest moment for Herk except for him surviving Caladbolg. Because otherwise the fight was in Saber's side (except for not knowing about God Hand).

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    It was in her favor from the perspective of being unaware of how God Hand works. Otherwise, barring removing Invisible Air to attack normally or doing what the anime did, Saber posed no real threat to Herk.

    The VN can get somewhat of a pass for not going over God Hand again because we know how it works from Fate, but I don't recall the anime implying God Hand is anything more than being a reserve stock of lives at that point in time, and one that apparently takes time to activate. Multiple lives aren't all that scary if you can act during the revival process to keep killing him.
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    So if I'm reading this right DP is saying that the feature almost everybody hates that is bad and makes the forum objectively worse will never go away because that would negatively impact another feature that nobody has ever used and most likely never will use just in case someday, someone wants to use it. Is that right?
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    It's like if someone told me "make me a milkshake" and i was blind and they gave me the ingredients and I made a milkshake because milkshakes are good, but it turns out that milkshake was a bomb.

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