Language of the gods. A single word is equivalent to a 30 second chant in high-speed casting for modern mages. Medea is such a beast that makes me angry.Originally Posted by neveron
Even though she had a greater whole in UBW, her abilities are never explored right. Her whole Saber obsession was always her downfall.
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No that's by far her upside I say.Language of the gods. A single word is equivalent to a 30 second chant in high-speed casting for modern mages. Medea is such a beast that makes me angry.
Even though she had a greater whole in UBW, her abilities are never explored right. Her whole Saber obsession was always her downfall.
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I forget but how old are Sola & Kayneth in Zero? I remember hearing that Sola was like 20 and Kayneth was in his 30's?
Regarding Caster, making a statement as serious as I can possibly muster, if she wanted, she could have busted all other masters by the day after she contracted Kuzuki. Even Berserker would not live long. The whole "We need Saber to deal with Berserker" thing is simply too hard a bargain. She would have an easier time going for Illya instead (or having Kuzuki do it. He is fast AF, and doesn't care one single bit to smash a loli's head).
About their age, according to wikia "Kayneth is a handsome older adult in his mid to late 30's", so we could assume 35-ish.
Sola, I have no clue, but I don't think she was even 30 yet. The whole engagement thing with Kayneth is because her older brother and heir to the Nuada-Re Sophia-Ri i family was a failure as a magus and they wanted to salvage the family name.
If said brother was the same age as Kayneth, she could be on her late 20's.
If anyone has a more accurate answer, please shoot me down.
Is there any Divine / Ghostly Beast that overcomes the power of Excalibur (Artoria)?
So far I have not seen any of them overtaking Rank A+ (Anti-Army).
Yes, because it's easy for a school teacher to get past a magical forest, Servant-strength maids, and twelve lives of muscle to get to Illya.
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....Kuzuki is not a normal school teacher. He is a psychopath who can hit like a truck magically enhanced by his servant.
He beat Saber bare handed and crushed her throat after exchanging less than 10 blows. Lets not forget he practically be-headed Rider. And you can't possibly say those maids have better skills than Saber (or Rider, for that matter). If that was the case, the Einsberns should send an army of homunculi to win the holy grail instead.
And Caster would also be there. Berserker is the only threat really.
And this is a scenario the characters really go for the kill. Not the plot-shielded one in which everyone (well, not everyone) wants to fight fair and square and not aim directly at the masters.
You're aware that invading someone else's territory is a bad idea
And that one superior opponent, Kuzuki, vs two servant strength maids, is also a bad idea
And that going throw the magical forest itself is already a terrible idea
But if you think Caster + Kuzuki actually beat Herk, (and since when is Ilya defenseless???) then I'm not sure what to tell you
Exactly. Because Caster and Kuzuki aren't a threat while a Pissed off Herk is in the room. He'd roll through Kuzuki like he wasn't there (he's tough, but not that tough) and then crush Medea's skull like a goddamn eggshell.
No, no. I never said they should just go there with their guns blazing.
And Illya kind of goes out plenty of times. Invading her territory is kind of a last resort. But implying her maids are servant-level... Where was this stated? I am asking because I don't know, really. Spoil me if that is the case, kind sir.
Beating Berserker by sheer strength is possible, but would require 12 different A-rank spells. I never said Kuzuki would be the one to do it.
Medea would require a lot of mana, but that is no longer a problem with an entire city at her disposal.
Edit: Actually a few B+ would also do the trick. I forgot for a sec God Hand bars only B and below.
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Surprise, B+ doesnt actually do anything
Medea ain't got enough spells powerful enough to put Herk down (WoG is she could do it about twice). Godhand be OP Yo.
She wasn't kidding when she said she needed Saber.
Then Gae Bolg no longer works? It is stated that Lancer can kill Berserker at least once with his NP because his strength goes up to B+ while using it and it bypasses God Hand.
Has that been retconed?
If you count B+ maybe she has, unless God Hand has been retconed the way I mentioned above.
In Saber's route when Rin kills Berserker with her A-rank jewels, he kind of drops dead for a few seconds. It is not like he simply goes on walking without a head.
That is the necessary opening to take out Illya.
It is not easy, by any means, but less troublesome than getting Saber.
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No it was said that Lancer can kill him by Amping Gae Bolg with a Rune Combo.
No, he can kill Herk when he uses his runes to power up his NP to A rank or higher...
Yay, that is how he does it. I forgot about the runes. I got God Hand description from the VN and it does not state the minimum rank that will bypass it.
The skill itself is B-rank.
Well, is there any actual source material (or interview for that matter) that states the exact minimum rank to bypass God Hand? If it is A, then it is A.
And if that is the case, Saber would be really needed, but Shirou would not. They could rule break Saber in a similar blitzkrieg way they did in UBW (but way sooner) and kill the boy just to prevent retaliation.
After that, fill Saber with mana and order her with a Command Spell to obliterate Berserker. Not taking any chances. If there are any lives left, Medea's A-rank spells would do (or Kuzuki could go for the kill when Berserker is laying flat after the excaliblast and off Illya).
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Leys has B+ STR
As for Illya getting chumped, in Fate she's half-dead, in UBW she's Gil'd, and in HF she kills herself. She's hardly owned on the same level that say, Medea is.
Q. Lancer, Caster, Assassin, and True Assassins; all with normal attack and Noble Phantasms of B or lower. If they fought against Berserker, wouldn't it be a one-sided fight? Or are there any of them that can match up against him?
A: Assassin and True Assassin by themselves wouldn't even be a fight. Lancer can use his runes and Noble Phantasm together to temporarily raise the rank to A, but it'd still be a very disadvantageous fight but "one with some chances". Caster has two front-line Saber-class defenders, so if she uses her high sorcery then she'd be able to deal damage, but that would be limited to 2 to 3 times. Also, in the game, Assassin was able to push Berserker back because of the terrain advantage and support from Caster (weighing down Berserker's body). ...Well, since the compatibility of Assassin and Berserker is horrible, the fact that Berserker was even pushed back is enough to say "whoah, Kojirou's amazing".
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I think he means more that Ilya likes to go outside of her castle at times
The easiest way to beat Herc is to do it offscreen. Archer almost did it, tho I can't remember if HA confirms that Baz and Angra beat him or not.
I laughed at this when I remembered Kojirou taking the temple with him in order to leave the place in Carnival Phantasm. He is great.
Hmm. Saber is needed indeed, then. Crap lol
This.
I actually find it odd that her maids are never seen in Fate route, even though Berserker gets done in right at the castle's doorsteps.
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