The ones with the train I think
And as for the translation the answer is the same as every case file which is no
The ones with the train I think
And as for the translation the answer is the same as every case file which is no
First one's been translated. The one with Luvia and the angels.
Originally Posted by Sandstorm77
So has part of the second one, with Reines and the murder mystery.
Also, when considering Kayneth's whole dual-master/mana-sharing strategy, which Master would have to be killed to deal with Lancer, assuming the other one isn't killed as well and Lancer doesn't make another contract, Kayneth or Sola Ui?
Last edited by SirGauoftheSquareTable; August 3rd, 2018 at 05:55 PM.
going back to divine constructs.
i think it was Mizu that said that they are made from human wishes but not with the intervention of humanity.
if divine spirits are made from wishes, then wouldnt anything they make afterwards not be made without the intent of humans? then you have beings made from wishes making things without the intervention of humans in the process.
also, there is this definition from the wiki, provided that is isnt bullshit.
"Divine Constructs (神造兵装/神造兵器, Shinzō Heisō/Shinzō Heiki?, lit. "God-made Armaments/God-made Weapons") are armaments not created by human hands, artifacts defined as a god or a "comparable being"
so why isnt everything not made by humans considered one?
also, "defined as a god"...get ready for Caenis' spear to be one.
yeah no
"Gods are beings formed by the thoughts of humans and born into the world without being influenced by the will of the people."
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wasnt that literally the case with the gorgon sisters? i think HA said this to the letter
Aliens
Phenomena
Thoughts
none of these are wishes
That's only the case for them, though. Most Divine Spirits don't work that way. Besides, Divine Spirits are the remnants of actual gods. They're not created independently (Goddess Rhongomyniad excepting).
Don't take this as me saying it can't be wishes
just that its not necessarily wishes
Sola is the one supplying the magical energy
But if she dies then it'll just revert to Kayneth.
So both
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
Y'know what I don't get? Why did Sola even bother to save Kayneth in the first place?
By that point in the LN she'd gone full Yandere, you'd think she would just 'mess up' her spiritual surgery and be 'unable' to deal with his injuries, 'forcing' her to take his CS and become Diarmuid's Master.
She didnt have the skills to take the Spells I believe. From what i remember Soma wasn't that good a mage. She was a chess piece.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
But what if Kayneth is killed first, and Lancer can somehow not form a new contract with Sola Ui?
It was clearly so that Lancer wouldn't throw as much of a fit. If she had done that, Lancer would have been less than cooperative. However, she WAS good enough to resist Lancer's charm if she wanted to, which she clearly didn't.
That too. The anime said as much too. Kirei could probably do it then by that logic. He's far better at spiritual surgery.
Sola was a 'meh' mage, but she was a pretty good at spiritual surgery. IIRC she even tell Kayneth if he doesn't agree she'll do it forcibly.
I believe during that scene that she said she needed his consent to do it and resorted to torture, in this case breaking his fingers one-by-one, in order to get him to agree.
Just checked:
So yeah, that was me misremembering. I thought it was "I can't transfer them safely without consent" and she'd have to cut his arm off like Kirei did. Turns out Sola just needs to git gud.“Hey, Kayneth. For my standard of spiritual healing techniques, it is impossible for me to forcibly extract your Command Spell. Only when there is consent from the owner himself, I can remove THIS without any resistance.”
Saying that without any expression, only her gentle voice was like just now, unchanged. As if trying to persuade a dull-witted child, she continued to the end, calmly.
“If you don't consent no matter what......I cannot do anything else but to cut down this right arm. How about it?”
Wow. I'm actually surprised I was right. In any case, she really needs to git gud, though that wouldn't have helped with Lancer because she was thirsty AF.
what is the difference between thoughts and wishes though?
also, do phenomena have wills and personalities without the thoughts or wishes of humanity? i would think not, at least, not after the Velver attack era.
:thinking:
remnants as in the perceptions of those original gods given shape, as far as i know.
except for cases like Surt i suppose
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(ok, i got into TM in 2012 before a lot of lore dumps happened, so i may be using a more reductice and specific definition of what a divine spirit is. i am just going with the ones that become regular elementals after they lose worship and were originally either elementals or facets of nature devoid of an ego)
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