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[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Where was it stated that Emiya's HGW was basically the Fate route minus him and Saber falling in love? Want to say season 2 Q&A, but don't remember where to find those.

I think also in Complete Material III.

[Trubo]

Unless I missed it, CM3 just says that none of the routes are very likely for Shirou to end up following Archer's path.

Q: During the last part of Sakura’s route, Shirou was saved by the tiny bit of residual mana in Tohsaka Rin’s pendant. Also, it seems like Rin knew about the difference in residual mana between the thing he got back from Archer and the thing he was holding, so could Sakura’s route be the one in which Shirou becomes a Heroic Spirit after all? Or could you tell us the route(s) in which Shirou doesn’t become a Heroic Spirit?

A: I’ll just say now that he doesn’t become a Heroic Spirit in any of the routes, but the possibility is still present in all of them as well. Basically, the probability of it happening is almost zero.

[pinetree]

True but then you have the case of Cu Alter and Alcides, is that when you compare themselves to the previous versions the difference between their strongest stat( Cu's Agi, Herks Str) is whether they have a plus or not. Alcides is A, Herk with ME is A+, Cu is A, Cu Alter is A+

That doesn't necessarily mean anything, Parameters can change between classes.

I always took it as: Archer Herk has A STR. Berserker Herk has B+, but is ranked up by ME.

Edit: shit, should have refreshed the page

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Unless I missed it, CM3 just says that none of the routes are very likely for Shirou to end up following Archer's path.

Then I misremembered. I've definitely seen the text saying that Archer is from a Fate route where he didn't fall in love with Saber cited on this site before though.

[pinetree]

Basically to elaborate my point. We know Artoria Lancers Alter is Artoria Lancer Alter, with her equipment and abilties being based on og Artoria Lancer. The same applies with Artoria Saber and her Alter self. The thing with Cu though that with this it doesn't seem that Berserker Cu Alter is based on og Berserker Cu, it feels more like he is based on Lancer Cu. This would be better if we had Berserker Cu but that's just how it feels to me.

Unrelated to your point, but isn't Lancer Alter actually more of a Lion King Alter than a Lancer Artoria Alter?

[fumei]

Want to say season 2 Q&A, but don't remember where to find those.

That's right

Q: What was the Fifth Grail War that Heroic Spirit Emiya experienced in his lifetime like? Was the Archer summoned there also Emiya?
Nasu: It was a world where the conditions at the beginning of the war were mostly the same, but something was missing. Shirou summoned Saber and fought until the end, didn't save Saber's heart but understood her, and they destroyed the grail together and parted... that's the image I have.
Takeuchi: Ahh, so something like a Fate route Good End we didn't make in the game?!
Nasu: Yeah, probably. After that, it is believed he cooperates with Rin who survived, and heads to London.

[Zurvan]

Then I misremembered. I've definitely seen the text saying that Archer is from a Fate route where he didn't fall in love with Saber cited on this site before though.

Ye, you're right I remember this too, but that was a hypothetical Fate-like scenario where Shirou didn't fall in love and probably some other stuff.
That said none of the 3 routes in game lead to Archer, so there's that

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rip sniped, gj savepoints

[Trubo]

That's right

Link to what was translated of those Q&As so I can bookmark it? Didn't notice it on tsukikan's site in OP.

[fumei]

Link to what was translated of those Q&As so I can bookmark it? Didn't notice it on tsukikan's site in OP.

Don't have it, sorry. Just remembered that was one of the things sourced on the wiki.

All I have from the booklet is this but it's not translated or anything so: link 1, link 2

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I thought all the links were on the OP.

[fumei]

I mean, everything​ isn't in the OP, no.

[SpoonyViking]

Ye, you're right I remember this too, but that was a hypothetical Fate-like scenario where Shirou didn't fall in love and probably some other stuff.

Personally, I took that description to mean that Shirou did fall in love with Saber, she just didn't reciprocate his feelings.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I mean, everything​ isn't in the OP, no.

By everything, I meant all the Fate Complete materials books. Sorry for not being more specific.

[Trubo]

Personally, I took that description to mean that Shirou did fall in love with Saber, she just didn't reciprocate his feelings.

Sounds more like their relationship in HF.

[SpoonyViking]

UBW True, perhaps.

[Imperial]

I always took it to mean "Fate-like" in that he didn't square off with his future self or encounter the Shadow. People seem to get hung up on the idea that EMIYA is 100% Fate route Shirou.

It doesn't have to beat for beat. It's just the major notes of meeting Saber, forming a connection with Illya, etc.

The other bit of irritating Fanon for a while there is that he comes from the Illya route. God, I can't tell you how much I wanted that one to go die in a fire.

[Tobias]

Each of the routes was actually intended to show how shirou overcomes archer and moves past him, but admittedly fate was not as overt about that as it probably should have been.

I think a lot of LE was intended to fix that but we on BL (or anyone in the English fan base) didn’t get that since the pertinent quote was mistranslated for quite some time.

[Urameshi Yūsuke]

If no one is around to hear a pun, is the pun still punny?

[mAc Chaos]

Each of the routes was actually intended to show how shirou overcomes archer and moves past him, but admittedly fate was not as overt about that as it probably should have been.

I think a lot of LE was intended to fix that but we on BL (or anyone in the English fan base) didn’t get that since the pertinent quote was mistranslated for quite some time.

What line?

[Tobias]

What line?

The one that drew the difference between shirou and archer.

im gonna heavily paraphrase but the actual line was someothing like

”normally the difference between dream and reality should grind one down until becoming a grim duty, but not for this boy, he held onto it without flinching until the day he died, eventually realizing the impossible”

but it for a very long time it was translated as something like “for shirou, the line between dream and reality ground him down, becoming a grim duty.”

so instead of being a very specific statement about how shirou didn’t lose heart, it became something that really sounded like it was obliquely describing archer.