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    At what point was Ilya made into the Lesser Grail and had her growth halted? Since her birth? Or just after the 4th HGW was lost? And how long was it after Leysritt was discarded as a potential Grail?
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    Isn't Leysritt just a couple years old? Or was that Sella?

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    Small Zero question, but how closely does the legend of Diarmuid hew to the real life thing because the anime flashback seems to imply Fionn invited him on that fatal hunt soon after Diarmuid and Grainne finally fought off everyone the former sent after them, but in the legend, they live a few decades as husband and wife and have at least 3 children. Just curious.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Small Zero question, but how closely does the legend of Diarmuid hew to the real life thing because the anime flashback seems to imply Fionn invited him on that fatal hunt soon after Diarmuid and Grainne finally fought off everyone the former sent after them, but in the legend, they live a few decades as husband and wife and have at least 3 children. Just curious.
    Like Arthurian legend, there are multiple variations of the Fenian stories as they spread across the Celtic speaking world.

    Presumably the Zero anime was just being lazy when it came to character design and had it take place not long after.
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    I see. Makes sense.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    What bugs me about Diarmuid's flashback is why the Zero staff chose to depict Fionn with black hair???
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    True. It was before GO, though, so eh...
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    What bugs me about Diarmuid's flashback is why the Zero staff chose to depict Fionn with black hair???
    It's it a part of his legend that he loses his blond hair as he ages? At least people always claim that's the case when the discussion comes up.

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    Other than Lio and possibly Araya, do we know of anyone else in the Nasuverse who had their Origin awakened somehow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    It's it a part of his legend that he loses his blond hair as he ages? At least people always claim that's the case when the discussion comes up.
    I've heard this too. GO blonde Fionn is younger, Zero Fionn is after his hair turns dark (apparently because of a fairy or something?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    It's it a part of his legend that he loses his blond hair as he ages? At least people always claim that's the case when the discussion comes up.
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    I've heard this too. GO blonde Fionn is younger, Zero Fionn is after his hair turns dark (apparently because of a fairy or something?).
    I never heard of his hair turning black though, the story of his encounter with the princess of Faeries always ends with his hair being turned permanently white/gray.

    Oh well, this is Fate after all so I won't sweat it too much.
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    Whether it's white/grey to show that he's past the prime of his life or black to emphasize the contrast with his previous blonde, it all still work rather well symbolically in their own ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Small Zero question, but how closely does the legend of Diarmuid hew to the real life thing because the anime flashback seems to imply Fionn invited him on that fatal hunt soon after Diarmuid and Grainne finally fought off everyone the former sent after them, but in the legend, they live a few decades as husband and wife and have at least 3 children. Just curious.
    According to his bind ce Diarmuid did have and raise children with Grainne. So just put it up on the anime on not putting the effort and making people question why he got older all of the sudden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by All fictions View Post
    At what point was Ilya made into the Lesser Grail and had her growth halted? Since her birth? Or just after the 4th HGW was lost? And how long was it after Leysritt was discarded as a potential Grail?
    She had stuff done to her in the womb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    I never heard of his hair turning black though, the story of his encounter with the princess of Faeries always ends with his hair being turned permanently white/gray.
    Wasn't his hair supposed to be white from the start? Hence his name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Interesting. So theoretically, Kurogiri could, for instance, access Stonehenge's "memory" and review how, when, and by whom it was built? Could he also tamper with those records like he does to Shiki in the sixth movie, making her unable to see him?
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    Presumably he could, but
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    Though it is a a bit weird if he said "stone A you got moved here in 20BC." Stone A then disappears. The next day it reappears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Wasn't his hair supposed to be white from the start? Hence his name?
    With any ancient oral tale there's bound to be variations and so there's not really one true answer, like there's even one tale where Fionn is actually a Giant and he ripped off a chunk of Ireland and threw it at another giant only for it to land in the ocean and become the Isle of Man.

    "Fionn" means "Fair" (as in light coloured) and so he's had a bunch of light hair colours but more often then not it's always depicted as blonde.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Other than Lio and possibly Araya, do we know of anyone else in the Nasuverse who had their Origin awakened somehow?
    Kiritsugu and Shirou

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Kiritsugu and Shirou
    Uhh kiritsugu's origin was awakened? i thought that the bullets were merely utilizing his origin by scrapping off parts of his essentials into the bullets. or no?

    Is there a difference between individuals "awakening" their origin or having it default set as just their thing?



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    I'm pretty sure Kiritsugu's Origin was never awakened in the KnK sense, but Shirou's likely was, even if there was no specific ritual to awaken it.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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