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[Zurvan]

To clarify, since werewolves and vampires have been set up as natural enemies and/or have about an equal amount of 'fame/notoriety' (for lack of a better term) in some media, does the same hold any true in any Nasuverse works? As in, are werewolves treated about as much as a threat as DAs by the Church and other associations? How dangerous are they in comparison?

Vampires seem far stronger, while werewolves seem, bulkier I guess

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Leftovers has posted some good info, otherwise take a look at Apo Vampire Vlad, or look up stuff regarding Berserker Hyde
and probably beryl in like, 1,5 years

[falseCeilings]

Can demi-gods get turned into Dead Apostles?

[Asunder]

Do dead apostles count as monsters in the nasuverse meaning? Because becoming a monster downgraded Medusa's divinity to the lowest level so a demigod that becomes a monster might lose their divinity altogether.

[falseCeilings]

If a demi-god historically became a vampire? Sure, I guess that would impact their legend and divnity in turn. I don't think Dead Apostles existed in the Fate timeline until after the end of Age of Gods (and all demigods shortly thereafter).

My question is more whether they could be turned into a DA at all. Can Servants even become DAs?

[Zurvan]

Isn't there a DA that is from the AoG era?

Not sure why he wouldn't be in Fate.

Servants probably can't be turned, because they're A not living and B something something DA anti-history while Servant pro-history something

[Leftovers]

Can demi-gods get turned into Dead Apostles?

Why couldn't they?

[LeadDemon]

Isn't there a DA that is from the AoG era?

All the Elder Title DAs are from the AoG, yeah.

[Rafflesiac]

Can demi-gods get turned into Dead Apostles?

Achilles.

[falseCeilings]

There was a discussion here recently about how we really don't know what's the deal with TAs in the Fate timelines. The twenty-seven, afaik, aren't mentioned in Fate franchises. Gilgamesh and Alkides have no idea about them. Narita said that Nasu gave him an explanation as to why Gilgamesh wouldn't know about them, which to me implies that it's more than Gilgamesh simply never coming across one.

All of this made me think that in Fate, DAs are a post-AoG thing, but it may very well not be so.

Why couldn't they?

I'm not sure, I can only guess.

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Achilles.

What did I miss?

[fire_mountain_30]

Achilles.

almost

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Francesca seems to do a similar thing, if not outright the same thing, and she doesn't seem too much worse than before. Though it's hard to tell in her case because her before was already pretty terrible to begin with.

her loss record is a mile long though. i think her power massively degraded

[Leftovers]

There was a discussion here recently about how we really don't know what's the deal with TAs in the Fate timelines. The twenty-seven, afaik, aren't mentioned in Fate franchises. Gilgamesh and Alkides have no idea about them. Narita said that Nasu gave him an explanation as to why Gilgamesh wouldn't know about them, which to me implies that it's more than Gilgamesh simply never coming across one.

All of this made me think that in Fate, DAs are a post-AoG thing, but it may very well not be so.

The reason the 27 are called the 27 is because of the original 27 dead apostles who broke free from true ancestor control. That this designation doesn't exist in neo-Fate doesn't necessarily mean that true ancestors did not exist and did not create the first dead apostles long ago any more than that for some or other reason this distinction did not come to be.

[Zurvan]

Achilles was charmed by Apo Vampire Vlad through biting
take from that what you will

[Makiri]

What does it mean that Zelretch recognised Einzbern and Makiri as evil? Where they evil originally or could go astray potentially?

[falseCeilings]

True enough.

Do we actually have an example of a TA from the Age of Gods in Fate, though? Or anything that would imply that some of them are of that age? (Do we even have TAs in fate apart from Arc in Extra?)

[neveron]

How much regard are werewolves treated or said to be compared to vampires in Nasulore? If at all.

In terms of general "danger level" or whatever, it's probably telling that they felt that werewolves were suited to be treated as generic enemies in Fate/Grand Order but generally make out Dead Apostles to be a huge threat whenever they appear.

Now, granted, this doesn't really say much about the strength of werewolves because story-wise they're up against multiple Servants and that's kind of bullshit in general. But it does say that Type Moon as a company are alright with bog-standard werewolves being portrayed as being weak and on the level of goblins and the like.

On the other hand, I don't know that we've even seen anything that could be classified as a "bog-standard vampire". That says something, I think.

[Leftovers]

True enough.

Do we actually have an example of a TA from the Age of Gods in Fate, though? Or anything that would imply that some of them are of that age? (Do we even have TAs in fate apart from Arc in Extra?)

Crimson Moon, and the true ancestors that the planet created in his image if he doesn't count.

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Although, for the sake of the argument, I suppose it's not an absolute given that the planet did create those true ancestors. Moondaddy still has to exist in Fate to get blasted by Zelretch.

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inb4 Arcueid in Extra but then again that never made a lick of sense even without the Tsuki-Fate schism

[Skull]

In terms of general "danger level" or whatever, it's probably telling that they felt that werewolves were suited to be treated as generic enemies in Fate/Grand Order but generally make out Dead Apostles to be a huge threat whenever they appear.Now, granted, this doesn't really say much about the strength of werewolves because story-wise they're up against multiple Servants and that's kind of bullshit in general. But it does say that Type Moon as a company are alright with bog-standard werewolves being portrayed as being weak and on the level of goblins and the like.On the other hand, I don't know that we've even seen anything that could be classified as a "bog-standard vampire". That says something, I think.

IIRC, didn't Mahoyo say something like only the Golden and Silver furred Werewolves classify as true Phantasmal Beasts while all others were something lesser?

[falseCeilings]

Yeah, I think so far it's all up in the air regarding TAs and Fate, the only things that pushed me to them being "younger" in Fate are a few points from SF which aren't very conclusive.

[LeadDemon]

IIRC, didn't Mahoyo say something like only the Golden and Silver furred Werewolves classify as true Phantasmal Beasts while all others were something lesser?

Most are Monstrous Beasts, like your average pegasus. They're led by the silver ones, which are Phantasmal Beast rank.

That said, Monstrous Beasts doesn't mean they're weak.

[Skull]

^ INB4 Beryl is secretly a Golden Werewolf or something.