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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamerad View Post
    the tower Merlin is being imprisoned in is the same as the tower Rhongomyniad right?
    No. He's in a tower in Avalon, which his NP Garden of Avalon is meant to reproduce.

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    Merlin's NP doesn't reproduce the tower, it reproduces the surrounding.

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    Garden of Avalon.
    Reproducing in the surroundings the tower where Merlin is, even now, being confined.
    Flowers bloom all around above the ground, and no matter what kind of darkness or hell it is, the daylight shall shine upon it.
    Even if the area that he is allowed to be is but the gaol of mere 10 meters in four direction, and the view that was granted to him is but a the cut off sky in the faraway horizon, that place will eternally be a utopia.
    He's reproducing the tower, in his current surroundings.

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    The anime just depicted the flower field. The tower appeared above him when he cast it, same as the game animation, but afterward there was only the flowers.

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    It's called Garden of Avalon, not Tower of Avalon.
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    Doesn't change the fact that his tower is being reproduced as well. Or that his tower is not Rhongomyniad.

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    How does that confirm that it's not Rhongomyniad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mats IV
    Thereafter, Merlin crossed over the to utopia Avalon, then imprisoned himself within the "tower".
    Quote Originally Posted by Garden of Avalon ch0
    Merlin stopped, figuring that he had removed himself far enough away from the vicious claws of the witch. Before him stood a gate assembled from roughly hewn stone of such massive size as to bring to mind the Stonehenge, and between them laid the same barren plain as before. A single phrase was carved into the gate: “only the sinless may pass.”

    “It appears I have been deceived.”


    Merlin shrugged and made no attempts to avoid the gate, simply walking under it and sowing his flowers as he always did.


    As soon as he did, the gentle slope he stood on changed completely. Thick walls of stone sprang from the earth as through to entrap the guest, stretching skyward without limit and sealing in the Magus. Merlin stood in the centre of this infinitely tall stone tower and turned around to find that the gate had disappeared. He was surrounded by stone walls on all sides – caged in a five square metre space carved from Paradise itself. That was the essence of this boundary field; some enemy of Merlin’s had ensured that the Magus would spend the rest of his life in this tower.
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    "My apologies. I'll move on to the topic of the holy lance now. Its purpose is not to strike down foreign invaders; it exists to ensure the world's stability. Put simply, it's the planet's anchor. You brought up the land of fairies earlier, and I should tell you that it is not an entirely different realm. Right beneath your feet, only a thin layer separates us from the other side of the world."

    "Beneath my feet...? Do you perhaps mean the planet's surface?"


    "It's fine if you want to think of it that way. With 'Your world' at the bedrock of your thinking, the land of fairies is but a gap in it. Yet, to them, your world is likewise nothing more than a blanket, it's but a texture over the world. However, both are mere facades that cling to the planet's surface."


    "Are you...... saying that Britain is a texture?"


    "Not just Britain, the entire world that you humans inhabit. Rather, Britain is actually quite special. Artoria, what you can see does not constitute all that is. When humans took the mantle of superior beings, the state of the world underwent a change, and the fairies, having realized that, accepted that change. The surface changes its physical laws to suit that of the lifeforms living atop it. The age that brimmed with mysteries and prana welcomed its passing when humans completely came into power, gradually declining since. Nature, though once possessing its own ego, became but a phenomenon, and the ether that filled the air began to dissipate. When Solomon, the very king of magecraft, passed on, the decline hastened until finally, 500 years ago, the age of gods came to an end. The planet became independent from nature. But while having broken out of nature's cycle and being capable of living on their own, there were creatures that came to take nature as their own possession, and just to be clear, I am talking about you humans here. A special trait of human intelligence is that you tend to desire a light to shine on the darkness that is the 'uncertain laws' of spiritual phenomenon. The result of that was the planet's rules changing to being 'optimized for human life.' Dragons and fairies, their existence violates the rules of humanity, so those beings left to the other side of the world and relinquished this surface world to you humans."


    Those that remained on the surface were those who did not have the strength required to leave and those unable to accept their end had come. The former are of no threat, but the latter are very much so. Even if they were to lose the prana in the atmosphere, they could continue to exist for hundreds of years out of the sheer will to live and possibly endanger mankind.


    "Whatever the case, you all came to be the representatives of the surface world. That said, it's still only a thin layer that can be rolled up with just a bit of effort. If the time comes that the blanket is to be blown away by the wind, what would you do? Would you ignore it? No, you wouldn't, would you? If it's going to be blown away, then all you must do is sew it down. The texture that you humans live on is secured to the planet by an anchor, the holy lance—The Spear that Shines to the Ends of the Earth. A pillar that exists to protect the superior beings: the Holy Lance Rhongomyniad. "
    in short, the pillar/tower that is the true form of Rhongomyniad already existed during Artoria's lifetime, when Merlin was just roaming around Britain helping out kings. It wasn't until after Artoria's story that he fled from Vivian (?) and got trapped in Avalon, where that tower specifically built itself up around him from the ground.

    On top of that, there's this from the Apocrypha manga which shows the "tower" in the distant as a pillar of pure light, which we of course know is not at all what Garden of Avalon/Merlin's tower looks like.
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    So yeah, based on everything we know, it's not even hinted in any way to be the same structure, and would just be weird if it was.
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    I'm thinking there's slight similarity in how Merlin is being sealed after passing through "only the sinsless may pass" and Goddess Rhongomyniad's goal of sealing the goodest and purest bois (holy selection) of humanity inside the "tower".

    Hm, best wait for LB6 I guess

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    Also, there's the whole thing where Merlin's tower is a place you can be (and yeet Fou out of) while Ron's tower is at the end of the world and when manifested starts to actively destroy its surroundings as it turns them into the world's end because that fact is axiomatic or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    It wasn't until after Artoria's story that he fled from Vivian (?) and got trapped in Avalon.
    This was always a subject of curiosity for me. Here's hoping they address it somewhat in LB6.
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    Hi guys been gone for a while.
    I am here with a question, so whats going on with this alien robot god stuff in the AOG?
    And how does this affect things like Divine words.

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    It's a pretty common motif in Arthurian stories to have Vivian lock Merlin away in a cave, tower, tree, etc, usually as a result of Merlin crushing hard on her. I've also been interested in the Nasu version's reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvie View Post
    Hi guys been gone for a while.
    I am here with a question, so whats going on with this alien robot god stuff in the AOG?
    And how does this affect things like Divine words.
    The 12 olympian gods were actually alien robots who made a pit stop on earth, got worshipped as gods, were wiped out by sefar, but because of how divine spirits and all that stuff works they "survived" as gods through worship or whatever, just not with their robot bodies, so once sefar ended the first AoG, only the "normal" greek god versions remained for the second AoG.

    And it doesn't affect things like divine words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fumei View Post
    The 12 olympian gods were actually alien robots who made a pit stop on earth, got worshipped as gods, were wiped out by sefar, but because of how divine spirits and all that stuff works they "survived" as gods through worship or whatever, just not with their robot bodies, so once sefar ended the first AoG, only the "normal" greek god versions remained for the second AoG.

    And it doesn't affect things like divine words.
    ooo strange, and so was their magic authority thing alien stuff or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duvie View Post
    ooo strange, and so was their magic authority thing alien stuff or what?
    Once they became divine spirits they just had your typical-in-the-setting nature authority stuff that elementals can do, but back before that they were literally big ol' alien robots using nanomachines and orbital space lasers.

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    Damn, fate gets weirder and weirder

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    Another take where it's similar is The Once and Future King by T. H. White where Merlin seems to voluntarily accept imprisonment at the hands of Nimue; where in that case, it's implied Merlin and Nimue did that as part of their plan. Nimue then takes on the role of magical advisor to Arthur and she gives off an aura of deviousness and mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neveron View Post
    Once they became divine spirits they just had your typical-in-the-setting nature authority stuff that elementals can do, but back before that they were literally big ol' alien robots using nanomachines and orbital space lasers.
    See but dont they mention chaos as the origin of the greek god authorities at some point, plus we got outer gods like bb with nyarly stuff that seem to have authoirites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byegod View Post
    See but dont they mention chaos as the origin of the greek god authorities at some point, plus we got outer gods like bb with nyarly stuff that seem to have authoirites
    Kháos, in this case, is reworked to be a distant alien dyson sphere that sent out fleets of terraforming ships - first the Titans, then the Olympians. It's a sci-fi take on Hesiod's theogony, basically.

    It's all seems very inspired by Mazinger.

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