Japan has theory about Yoshitsune = Genghis Khan.
Japan has theory about Yoshitsune = Genghis Khan.
I want to say it's a terrible theory but with how weak the connecting evidence for Scathach and Skadi were the bar has been set even lower. I really hope they don't go that route though as I can't help but feel it diminishes some of real Benkei's last stand. But then perhaps the reason we haven't gotten real Benkei yet. Regardless, Genghis Khan is one of the few I think they could get away with making a Grand with no build up to, not that they're beholden to doing them that way.Originally Posted by AmADo VII
He/they isn't/aren't really a Chinese Servant, though. He is a Mongol Servant, and one who was sort of deified after the end of the Mongol era.
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Also, it diminishes the very real impact of the Mongol Empire, since Japan was quite tangential to the story of the Mongols as a whole. Giving primacy to their conspiracy theory seems rather disrespectful to actual Mongolians and other Mongolic peoples who still revere him.
Haven't all the Grands so far been more on the supernatural side than historical side
Merlin, Orion, Quirinus... King Hassan being some ancient immortal zombie man thing, but I guess he also gets away with being the very origin of the word "Assassin". Like how original Fate had the rule of all Assassins being Hassans
Since we don't have historical Attila, I think Chinggis would be the strongest historical candidate for Grand Rider, given that he was the face of nomadic mounted warfare for centuries, and remains so. That being said, based on the pattern, I'd bet someone like Bellerophon would be chosen instead.
Attila had very little history him, didn't he? Like, the Huns didn't write
The only other candidate for Grand Rider I personally can think of besides Genghis Khan is Noah.Or Santa Claus.
Grand Rider Jason with the Argo please
Or Cyrus the Great
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True, but the Romans gave him enough of a reputation.
And then add all the medieval sources that just kept adding stuff or making him a recurring cameo character, like Siegfried and Sigurd's stories
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The Secret History of the Mongols is a pretty famous and accessible source material. Honestly, if we ever get a Genghis Khan servant and he hasn't been based on/doesn't have material from that source, I'll be dissapointed
My two picks for Grand Rider are Ashoka the Great and Rider Napoleon. It feels odd that we didn't get a proper version of him, almost like they're saving the real one for something.
I feel like it's a very Sakurai sort of thing to release a Servant and then claim in the story that of course there's an even more powerful version that could be released some day. Saber Raikou, the whole Shuten Douji -> Ibuki Douji -> Orochi thing, Scathach -> Skadi...
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Well so far all the Grands have been from different mythologies too. King Hassan obviously from Iran and the Crusader era, Merlin from ancient Welsh/Briton myth with some good ol' christian white washing thrown in, Orion is old school Greek and Quirinus is one of the few myths Rome didn't rip off from somewhere else to my knowledge, so I'd be expecting the remaining three to all be from different regions/myths, assuming Grand Saber isn't some ludicrous version of Artoria, not that that would surprise me in particular.
Whenever Kintoki got his Heian costume, I honestly thought it was gonna be a new version of him as Grand Berserker since the last two Grands were seemingly making up for how terrible their normal versions were.
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The Real Santa Claus/St. Nick is the only Grand Rider I'll ever accept.
I don't see what's so odd about it. It's just creating an openly idealized version of Napoleon as an easy excuse for not having to acknowledge any of the bad things real Napoleon did. I imagined Sakurai simply researched him, found out about his actions to unfree the freed slaves and went "Welp, I need to find a reason to completely make this a non-factor".
True but the original Grand Caster was Solomon, not Merlin.
I don't really consider Merlin a Grand till he appears in the game as one. He's shown up after his mats were released but didn't have any indication he was a Grand, the most notable being he wasn't level 100 like the other Grands have been. And the mats have been a bit odd in some of the things they say, such as Gray being a Lancer. Sure there's reason why she isn't, but it's something that doesn't align with the game.
Maybe, but we have at least two references to Rider Napoleon. It feels like they're really trying to prepare us for him. First we know he's shorter than Archer Nap, and his NP is likely Ionioi Hetairoi on steroids, having 10x the numbers and much better weaponry if history is anything to go by. It fits with the theme of how some of the Grands show up in some capacity before appearing as a Grand, rather than showing up with no prelude.
If what you suggest is correct, then it'd be rich coming from Sakurai given how they handle Nero.
To be fair, he's not the first or only one to separate Napoleon Bonaparte the revolutionary from Emperor Napoleon and what came after. Heck, even Beethoven did it to some small extent.
It's easier to overlook 2000 year old crimes than less than 200. We tend to judge one's morality harsher the closer it approaches the present.
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I don't know what else you'd be expecting from FGO honestly
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There were a LOT of people that saw Napoleon as a liberator, at the time.
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