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[Arete]

I'm personally more partial to Prime Minister because it better accentuates how modern of a word (国家)元首 is, and ties more clearly to U-Olga's stated goal of unifying Earth as a single nation under her possession, assumedly with most of the implications of how a modern nation functions, again, due her picking 20th century word when dozens of more ancient-sounding options are available. Though sovereign can be considered more accurate, in a drier, rawer sense.

Right so it is a more modern word. When is the term typically used in the modern day?

If you’re interested in True Devils, you should read the “Holmes/EXTRA” fantheory document, which Comun actually partially wrote. https://docs.google.com/document/u/0...LlEYdm2nWiNhk/

Yeah I've already read that document, or at least the part on devils. I see they updated it like promised but there doesn't seem to be anything new in that part. And it doesn't say anything on Napoleon.

Also it's a little hard to trust it on everything when they do get some things wrong or skip out key bits of data, even in that area, so I don't know how much I can really trust it. It does do a good job on sourcing though. It's nice to know that people will actually read something of that length though as my own theories tend to be rather long.

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I like this one the best

If that was the case they could've just straight up used Siegfried who is basically a holy grail person too.

Oh? Is Siegfried a fictionalised character as well? I suppose that makes sense then for the whole Sigurd/Siegfried problem.

[Zork Knight]

Nope, Siegfried was probably real. Brynhildr smelled Kriemhild's scent from Altera, and the Einzberns got the Rhinegold.

[Byegod]

I dont think they have a clue what the deal with sigurd and siegfried is tbh

[Zork Knight]

Pretty sure Fafnir being a curse that turns the greediest person of (Europe?) into a dragon is the explanation as to how both of them killed 'Fafnir'.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Fafnir is more a phenomenon than a single being that manifests in particularly greedy individuals in the Northern European texture. I've heard people compare it to TATARI.

[Duvie]

So according to Helena hekate has authority over earth sea and sky, can we take this as a solid statement?

[Deathhappens]

Hecate is pretty clearly defined as the goddess of magic when Circe talks about her, so I'd put that down as a maybe.

[Zork Knight]

Hecate also has the whole three-faces thing

[Arete]

It mentions in Solomon's mats that the only one to gain enlightenment was the 'Messiah'. Wouldn't the 'messiah' be Jesus? And wasn't it Buddha who gained enlightenment? Did he get something else then? It seems more like it's talking about Jesus since he's connected to Solomon.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Wasn't David the original Messiah, though?

Also, Enlightenment is a complicated term and in this case probably refers to Judeo-Christian apotheosis as opposed to nirvāna.

[Byegod]

Nasu has used buddhist terms when talking bout what happen to romani/solomon tho

[Zork Knight]

I thought Solomon's mats were comparing and contrasting the 'finality' he reached by completing his mission of returning the One Ring and Buddha's 'finality' = enlightenment

Wasn't David the original Messiah, though?

Also, Enlightenment is a complicated term and in this case probably refers to Judeo-Christian apotheosis as opposed to nirvāna.

The literal translation of the Hebrew word mashiach (המשיח‎, messiah), is 'anointed', which refers to a ritual of consecrating someone or something by putting holy oil upon it. It is used throughout the Hebrew Bible in reference to a wide variety of individuals and objects; for example, kings, priests and prophets, the altar in the Temple, vessels, unleavened bread, and even a non-Jewish king (Cyrus the Great).[19]

In Jewish eschatology, the term came to refer to a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who will be "anointed" with holy anointing oil, to be king of God's kingdom, and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age. In Judaism, the Messiah is not considered to be God or a pre-existent divine Son of God. He is considered to be a great political leader that has descended from King David, hence why he is referred to as Messiah ben David, 'Messiah, son of David'. In Judaism, the messiah is considered to be a great, charismatic leader that is well oriented with the laws that are followed in Judaism.[20] He will be the one who will not "judge by what his eyes see" or "decide by what his ears hear."

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I thought Solomon's mats were comparing and contrasting the 'finality' he reached by completing his mission of returning the One Ring and Buddha's 'finality' = enlightenment

They both do have a sense of removal from existence and extinguishing one's own flame.

I guess that means Roman isn't truly destroyed? That, or it was just an imperfect comparison.

Also, thanks.

[AAM1232]

Solomon closed his book (of life/journey). Doesn't mean he's destroyed or anything, just that he's not summonable anymore (until Nasu says so).

[Comun]

It mentions in Solomon's mats that the only one to gain enlightenment was the 'Messiah'. Wouldn't the 'messiah' be Jesus? And wasn't it Buddha who gained enlightenment? Did he get something else then? It seems more like it's talking about Jesus since he's connected to Solomon.

When you translate 救世主 without context, yeah, Messiah is generally the first go-to word people use, but in this case, Fate/EXTRA brings context that 救世主 is the Saver Class. "A Saver was the only one in humanity to reach enlightenment" is unquestionably about Buddha.

[Walnut Sparks]

... wait, does that mean that Siddartha is the only human who has reached enlightenment so far?

[Arete]

When you translate 救世主 without context, yeah, Messiah is generally the first go-to word people use, but in this case, Fate/EXTRA brings context that 救世主 is the Saver Class. "A Saver was the only one in humanity to reach enlightenment" is unquestionably about Buddha.

Ah that makes sense. Also clarifies something I was wondering about the Saver class. Cheers for that. Does raise the question though of what happened to Jesus in that world.

... wait, does that mean that Siddartha is the only human who has reached enlightenment so far?

I'm curious about this as well. What does it mean for ones like Sanzang? I know she is the reincarnation of a cicada, so maybe that disqualifies her? I know that Kiara had the potential to be a Saver. I'm guessing that might be in another world were everything goes right, or that she is just able to reach enlightenment through pure desire or something.

[aAlouda]

I just saw that in Emiya's FGO profile it's mentioned that the tools he projects are only around for a few minutes.

Magecraft : C (conditionally A+)
A magecraft that reproduces tools for a few minutes by means of Projection.
The paired swords which Archer habitually uses, Kanshou & Bakuya, are also things produced by projection magecraft.
Only when the target of projection falls under the category of "sword", the Rank rapidly jumps up.
Due to this special trait of "can prepare counterfeits many times over", EMIYA destroys the projected Noble Phantasms. By having them explode, the destructive power is momentarily raised.

https://fategrandorder.fandom.com/wiki/EMIYA

But it was established in FSN that the stuff Shirou projects specifically isn't temporary.

"……Fine. I guess if I'm going to correct you, we'll have to start with the fundamentals. But let's go back to what we were talking about earlier. Is it true that the things you projected are still in your shed?"
"Yeah. Things don't normally go away unless you break them, right?"

https://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20304/

Does anyone know what is up with that? Is there a special reason behind it, or is that just a retcon I missed?

[Tony246]

Hm, so I recently gone through the Rider vs Saber fight on the roof and I was sorta comparing the choice to either run to Saber right away vs staying put for a bit. In the staying put choice Shirou takes his time in deciding what to do before finally making a break for the roof, by which time the battle is already over, and in contrast the Saber following choice, Shirou runs to the elevator right away, in time to see what actually happens. So far that's all good.

My question is then the result. In both scenarios Saber ends up exhausted of mana and Rin presents Shirou with the dilemma of whether or not to feed her humans to keep her sustained, and Shirou wanders around in the morning due to that. At which he gets captured by Illya. In the "wait and stand by" branch he (assumingly) gets dolled right away, but in the "Follow Saber" branch, Illya actually offers a decision on whether or not to become her familiar. Maybe I'm bad with subtleties, but I don't see the major reason this change happened in-universe. The result of the Rooftop fight was still Saber being drained of mana, Rin giving her suggestions, and Shirou wondering about it alone in the park. Does anyone have a suggestion/answer to why it diverged like this?

[Menwearpink]

Because Illya's watching and it surprises her that Shirou does something that doesn't fit her projected image that she has of him/Kiritsugu.

So she's not as hard on him and such.