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[New York Bagel]

I am talking about the complete mats not interview which he denied ever saying it

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Is it? Do you have the raw

Oh weird, the picture I posted does not show up.

Anyways, here is the more literal translation.

God Hand

Rank: B
Type: Anti-Unit
Range: -
Maximum Targets: 1 Person

A blessing of Gods, as well as a curse. It is a Noble Phantasm given to Heracles, representing immortality. This Noble Phantasm does not have an overt external manifestation such as a weapon or armour, but if you hazard to put a shape to it, the body itself can be called the Noble Phantasm. God Hand turns one’s body into a tough suit of armour and nullifies all attacks Rank B or lower, regardless the attack being physical or magical. It also has the effect of automatic resurrection after death. Because the resurrection effect has 11 uses, Heracles cannot perish unless killed 12 times. In addition, due to Ilya’s immense magical energy, given enough time, the lives lost can also be regenerated.
Resurrection as well as attack-nullification. Besides these two effects, God Hand also possesses a third effect: rendering an attack that it has experienced before useless. Regardless how powerful is the Noble Phantasm that defeated Heracles, it would be completely nullified after he resurrects.

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You can go to the good ol' porno site for the raw.

[Takashi]

From what I can see the difference between ineffective and nullification is just one kanji..do you have the raw of complete mats or this one

[New York Bagel]

From what I can see the difference between ineffective and nullification is just one kanji..do you have the raw of complete mats or this one

Ya, just follow the link I posted, it has the whole things.

In most conversations you can use ineffective and nullification or whatever interchangeably. However, Nasu is trying to split hairs. Except he cannot split hairs when the previous material books wrote him into a corner.

[Arete]

Yeah that plot point is from the Extella backstory Nasu posted on his blog when Extella released, called Extella/Zero cuz that's one of the legacies of Fate/Zero.

Ah yeah that was what I was after, cheers.

Iirc if you want info on dropped content from Fate Extra there is a bit of it in the Fate/Extra script book Fate/Extra Moon Log: Typewriter

Does that include the stuff about how they originally planned for a bar that you needed to fill up on your journey in order to beat Buddha? Or am I getting this confused as well?

[Takashi]

Ya, just follow the link I posted, it has the whole things.

In most conversations you can use ineffective and nullification or whatever interchangeably. However, Nasu is trying to split hairs. Except he cannot split hairs when the previous material books wrote him into a corner.

Looked it up but it sounds like it's probably a mistake considering he also said not effective in the same complete mats regarding berserker.

[Takashi]

On top of that, once Berserker has been wounded by a specific attack, that same attack will not be effective a second time.


Complete mats 2.

[New York Bagel]

On top of that, once Berserker has been wounded by a specific attack, that same attack will not be effective a second time.


Complete mats 2.

The phrase used was "通用しない", as in "will not work/does not apply".

If you tell a Japanese person that "通用しない" means it would work a little bit/sometimes, he will tell you to fuck off.

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Looked it up but it sounds like it's probably a mistake considering he also said not effective in the same complete mats regarding berserker.

If you actually read the text, there is no mistake.

The mistake is Nasu trying to slowly backpaddle.

[AAM1232]

Is that you food?

[Takashi]

The phrase used was "通用しない", as in "will not work/does not apply".

If you tell a Japanese person that "通用しない" means it would work a little bit/sometimes, he will tell you to fuck off.

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If you actually read the text, there is no mistake.

The mistake is Nasu trying to slowly backpaddle.

That's more or less what I mean to say. It will work a little bit wouldn't mean it would get completely nullified.
Hence why I said it's a mistake.

[New York Bagel]

That's more or less what I mean to say. It will work a little bit wouldn't mean it would get completely nullified.
Hence why I said it's a mistake.

I am not sure what you meant to say.

Both the examples you are going for in CM2 and CM3 are saying in no uncertain terms that God Hand would nullify attacks.

If there was any wiggle room, don't you think the professional contrarians of BL would have brought it up ages ago?

[Takashi]

Nvm I read your statement wrong

[New York Bagel]

Really Takeuchi's reaction in the interview is all the proof of retcon you need.

Takeuchi literally went "wait wut bro?"

[Glazy]

. You can reject a god or a natural phenomenon, but you cannot reject the Spiral of Origin.

It is probably one of those things that is not worth reintroducing, since it is very br0ken and at the same time kind of boring.

Didn't Satsuki died?

[Takashi]

Really Takeuchi's reaction in the interview is all the proof of retcon you need.

Takeuchi literally went "wait wut bro?"

In the animation interview he also said this ,効かなくなる
From what I know it also translates to "doesn't work".

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Like the Complete mats questionnaire. I suppose either that guy actually meant not effective or that he can't retcon shit but from sandas afterword on how casually he said that complete mats are burned I doubt it would be that

[New York Bagel]

In the animation interview he also said this ,効かなくなる
From what I know it also translates to "doesn't work".

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Like the Complete mats questionnaire. I suppose either that guy actually meant not effective or that he can't retcon shit but from sandas afterword on how casually he said that complete mats are burned I doubt it would be that

"効かなくなる" carries the nuance of "lose/losing effectiveness", which is different from the concrete terms used previously.
Nasu is basically fucking with words so he can backpaddle.


Again, if you read everything before, and you read this Q&A, the only conclusion is retcon.
Nothing I read before, from interviews to material books have suggested to me that God Hand was not absolute.

[Takashi]

I don't know why he would back paddle about a story that's basically over. He is also referencing his previous words in the interview so I suppose take it as you will.

[New York Bagel]

I don't why he would back paddle about a story that's basically over. He is also referencing his previous words in the interview so I suppose take it as you will.

I don't know, and I share Takeuchi's reaction of "wut bro?".

[Byegod]

Beside Dust of Osiris, this whole Unified Language thing isn't used much anywhere else. More and more lores added to the Nasuverse ever since, that warrants it to get retconned if it's still constantly referenced, so it's a good thing that it's really obscure, and even more so with Kurogiri's death.

Still, it definitely gives some people food for thought.

Hence why I said implicit retcons, its not entirely bad if they change parts of how it works

Unified Language is fundamentally higher level than anything else.

Divine Words invoke the power of god/gods to achieve the desired result, while Unified Language is at the level of Spiral of Origin. You can reject a god or a natural phenomenon, but you cannot reject the Spiral of Origin.

It is probably one of those things that is not worth reintroducing, since it is very br0ken and at the same time kind of boring.

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Considering the recent case files lore on AOG magic, im not even sure the old explanation explicitely works/makes sense as much anymore either

[Takashi]

Closer you are to root more powerful you are.
Humans ask gods who are closer to the root. Basically it's the same old stuff. Magecraft also originates from the root. The difference is the direct , indirect connection and other bs. Such as magic being directly connected. Same way unified is probably direct connection unlike those that are indirect

[All fictions]

Facetiously he may be talking, but there seems to be a lightly controversial opinion. Originally meant to come out much earlier than expected, TsukiRe was said to be written by Nasu, yes. Oh how pitiful then it is, that some of our olden members of the community seem not to accept it. Dare they give in to this new age of hope in our dearly Beast's Lair?

Imagine old BLers not running on copium.

It's old brew in a new bottle though, similar to Mahoyo.

It seems like Nasu has not had a new idea since 2005.

Damn, RIP Extraverse, Tsuki no Sango, Clock Tower 2015, Garden of Avalon, and FGO.