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    Has some Nasu statement confirmed that the red shadow in Mahoyo is a Counter Guardian or is that just an assumption that most agree on?

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    What exactly is the reasons behind the name Fate/Stay Night? I know that there's a chapter that goes by that exact name in the Fate route, and a friend said that it was probably the one that came up first alphabetically or something and they just got so used to seeing the names so stuck with it, but I like to think there's a deeper meaning. On a related note, do we know what Fate/Prototype's name originally was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arete View Post
    What exactly is the reasons behind the name Fate/Stay Night? I know that there's a chapter that goes by that exact name in the Fate route, and a friend said that it was probably the one that came up first alphabetically or something and they just got so used to seeing the names so stuck with it, but I like to think there's a deeper meaning. On a related note, do we know what Fate/Prototype's name originally was?


    fate/skipper iirc



    pretty sure Nasu just liked the phonetics of [Stay Night]

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    My personal headcanon is still that name Fate/stay Night is because the Fate route is about Saber's decision to give up on undoing her past, and thus ultimately stay kNight.

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    It's just the exact type of English misconversion that would lead someone to put the name Altria in a product.

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    i'll believe (k)night tho

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    I always assumed the Stay Night was referring to the H scenes. Stay (over for the) night.
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    It's actually Fate/Sauté Night, and it's referring to Sakura's cooking.

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    Fate/Sauté kNight it is then.

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    It's the moment Shirou meets Saber synthesized through terrible English.
    Time stood still in the night of fate. Fate stay night.

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    It's clearly a reference to the Fate cooking anime.
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    The only spinoff that's truly loyal to the spirit of the original.

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    Obviously it was just foreshadowing this the entire time. Soon we will learn that it is actually the fourth route in FSN and Angra has them all trapped in a dream.

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    Are there a set number of philosophy keys? Or can you create a philosophy key? And how is it related to taoist arts? More specifically to internal alchemy? I mean Philosophy magecraft really sound incompatible with taoist alchemy even thought it's mainly based on taoism? I know we don't know much, but my head is hurting trying to understand how philosophy magecraft work. I'm not an expert, but the concept of philosophy key seems really random as a mean to access Taoism arts compared to the IRL way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frigix View Post
    Are there a set number of philosophy keys? Or can you create a philosophy key? And how is it related to taoist arts? More specifically to internal alchemy? I mean Philosophy magecraft really sound incompatible with taoist alchemy even thought it's mainly based on taoism? I know we don't know much, but my head is hurting trying to understand how philosophy magecraft work. I'm not an expert, but the concept of philosophy key seems really random as a mean to access Taoism arts compared to the IRL way.
    Sample size too small.
    At the meta level it serves the same purpose as a crest. Access to a library.
    A smarter man than I once said that if magecraft is the pursuit of knowledge, then the accumulation of magecraft is simply the creation of libraries.
    The differences between the eastern and western systems are how those libraries are curated and permission is distributed.
    Last edited by You; December 21st, 2022 at 12:27 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Okay, so basically there are still studies of magecarft in orient. But whereas the western way is to connect through the foundations carved in the leylines, the eastern way is to connect through their giant mystic code / pseudo-root. But we can still assume one must study and develop some kind of magecraft right? For example, the "pursuit of knowledge" is still something for Taoist. But I guess it's by developing their keys and making them have access to a greater part of the library? Knowledge is in the library, and the key is the tool that one must develop to get more of it?

    Or am I absolutely wrong, and it's just "take this key, you have access to those spells now, meditation and Taoist arts are bullshit just use the key bro".
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    Did you play Xu Fu's event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frigix View Post
    Okay, so basically there are still studies of magecarft in orient. But whereas the western way is to connect through the foundations carved in the leylines, the eastern way is to connect through their giant mystic code / pseudo-root. But we can still assume one must study and develop some kind of magecraft right? For example, the "pursuit of knowledge" is still something for Taoist. But I guess it's by developing their keys and making them have access to a greater part of the library? Knowledge is in the library, and the key is the tool that one must develop to get more of it?

    Or am I absolutely wrong, and it's just "take this key, you have access to those spells now, meditation and Taoist arts are bullshit just use the key bro".
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    Listening to this insanity threw me so off myself that I can't even think about whether or not I understood it.
    "Hey, wait a second. Did you just mention Mystic Codes fused with a planet? Which planet exactly are we talking about?"
    "Our planet, which else? That's the Philosophy Foundation, a Supergiant Mystic Code fused with Earth."
    Rin hopped up a hill.
    "It's a pretty basic principle, but you'd be surprised by the amount of people who never heard about it even in the Clock Tower's New Age classes. I mean, it has barely anything in common with the magecraft we study. Actually, no... our teacher would probably call them the same in how they use spells as formulas to construct Mystery. He's very nitpicky when scoring tests."
    I could almost see the Professor's figure in the background. I might be going insane, but I'll save that thought for later.
    "Excuse me, could you put that in simpler terms?"
    "The gist of it is that while the mages in the West use all sorts of foundations for their magecrafts, the Philosophy Mages stick to the Philosophy Foundation. That's all."
    Its the same method as Western magecraft. Research is building new functions out of existing formulae/spells or as food used to say "you layer on enough attributes to make what you want to happen." Eastern magecraft just happens to use the same programming language.
    Remember in case files vol 1 where Luvia has to switch to a Kabbalistic understanding of the world to do her divination in Adra.
    Last edited by You; December 21st, 2022 at 07:52 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Did you play Xu Fu's event?
    The summer camp event? If so, I didn't, but I guess I'll go check it out if there's some juicy lore about nasuverse's Taoism.

    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
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    Its the same method as Western magecraft. Research is building new functions out of existing formulae/spells or as food used to say "you layer on enough attributes to make what you want to happen." Eastern magecraft just happens to use the same programming language.
    Remember in case files vol 1 where Luvia has to switch to a Kabbalistic understanding of the world to do her divination in Adra.
    Oooh okay, I think I get it, thanks. Still, it sounds like the system of philosophy key is a lot more limited comparing to the magic crest one. Since from what I understand, your key has a set number of spells which it can have access, whereas a magic crest can store a new spell in his magic crest for the next generation.

    Also can you learn philosophy magecraft without a philosophy key? In the same way a western mage can learn some spell even if it isn't in their magic crest?
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