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    Elemental is a bigger category that includes the other two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    This is a mistake tbh, the long review from Aleksey is one of the best things written on KnK
    I've read it before on TsukiKan but can't find it in Japanese. Do you have it?

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    Could this be it?



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    Yes, thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    Elemental is a bigger category that includes the other two.
    So its like Bloodsuckers includes DAs and Lamyros. In that case what is the difference between a fairy and nature spirit? I only know fairies are the sense of touch of the Planet but nothing about nature spirits

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    Who's the biggest humanity enemy in TM?

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    Humanity itself is its own enemy
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuP3ixe View Post
    Who's the biggest humanity enemy in TM?
    Beast Angra, obviously.

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    Deforestation in the Amazon, because apparently the CF is so busy dealing with that it can't do fuckin anything else
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    I'm wary about showing my face here again so soon after my last blow-up (especially since it's about a similar subject), but there's more about the Age of Will that's been bugging me and I don't know of anywhere else that I could turn to. In retrospect I should have asked these then instead of allowing myself to succumb to a mood swing, but it's too late to do anything about that now.

    Is it the only possible "good end" for humanity, or are there other possibilities for it as well?

    When Merlin says "Those incapable of volition without a frame of flesh and blood will be left behind in time", does this mean that humans will no longer have biological bodies at all? Or does it simply mean that they will be able to transfer their minds elsewhere (e.g., to a new body) if they wish to do so?

    Do humans actually need mana to live? From what I could glean, this seems to be the main reason why immortality is supposed to be a prerequisite for leaving Earth since all the other possible challenges could be overcome through scientific advances.

    And since they'd be immortal and wouldn't have any fear of death, wouldn't that mean they'd be likely to not see any need to change or progress at all? Wouldn't that make them more likely to become stagnant instead of less?

    Thank you in advance to anyone who might be able to answer me. I'll try to keep my personal opinions to myself this time.

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    I realize that's what the Age of Will involves, certainly.

    But I'm not seeing why exactly they have to do it in order to leave the Earth. That's the thing.

    Or, at that matter, what stops them from just stagnating completely when they reach that point. Assuming that they don't have a pruning equivalent of their own, there's nothing stopping them from self-destructing or slowly sliding into oblivion.

    I'm tempted to ask a couple more things regarding other subjects that I've discussed before as well (about humanity being on the wrong path and whether that means they have the ability to go on the right one), but I would prefer to ask permission to voice them before I do so after last time.

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    you need to work it with backwards logic.
    Its only the age of will WHEN humanity is "perfect"

    if Amakusa uses the grail to give people the magic bodies but they DIDNT mentally/spiritually evolve enough to not stagnate/self destruct, its not the age of will and thats why its bad to let him do it

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    Then I have to question if that perfection is actually a positive thing, given that being mortal is noted to be the source of so many of humanity's good qualities- if you take the mortality away, what if anything will be left of them? Even if you only remove the fear of death, that still means humans won't see any reason to be immortal at all and wouldn't be inclined to seek it out. They might even see it as being a form of torture that denies them the ability to pass on when there's nothing more in life that they wish to do.

    I don't understand how they're supposed to resolve that contradiction without simply ignoring it.

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    you arent working backwards. Its resolved. congratulations, you`ve become immortal and wont fall for any of the pitfalls,


    they are ignoring it cuz this is a goal we wont reach. no matter how much we try, cuz that mentality is whats needed when you get there
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    Quote Originally Posted by madarra View Post
    you arent working backwards. Its resolved. congratulations, you`ve become immortal and wont fall for any of the pitfalls,


    they are ignoring it cuz this is a goal we wont reach. no matter how much we try, cuz that mentality is whats needed when you get there
    Then explain Merlin speaking of it as if it's both possible and inevitable. He can't just be spouting nonsense to himself.

    And I still don't understand: why would anyone become immortal when there's no reason to actually become immortal? It doesn't seem like something you can just turn on and off whenever you feel like it, and there's nothing to work backwards from because your starting point is something whose mind is as far removed from our minds as they are from a chimpanzee's. To be honest, I envision such a being as one that's effectively retreated into its own mind simply because it has nothing to fear or desire from the outside world.

    Unless the point is specifically that immortality is unattainable and that if we were in a state where we deserved it, we wouldn't want it. In which case, that is kind of clever.
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    Doch alle Lust will Ewigkeit—,
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    Something that’s always bugged me, in Fate/Stay Night Kirei uses a command spell on Lancer in order to have him scout out every single servant, but specifically is told not to defeat them. That’s why when Saber is weakened after Gae Bolg he doesn’t finish her off. But the thing about this is he tries to use Gae Bolg, his certain kill “will almost certainly kill anybody he uses it on” attack on both Archer and Saber. He’s even annoyed that Saber survives it, and Rin is certain that Archer’s about to die when he’s about to use it in their fight. Isn’t this contradictory? If he was told to not kill them via command spell shouldn’t he have had Gae Bolg sealed?

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    well, Cu`s story is full of breaking magical oaths and suffering for it. So he`s breaking his magical oaths and its all going to shit because of it

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