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[Daemon]

Sakurai hates prototype so much she stole the apocrypha setting instead of doing anything with that world.

[VitamineC]

While on the topic of prototype, what is the general consensus on it ?

Because I didn't read but also like never hear anyone talk about besides they want X character in fgo.

[Takashi]

While on the topic of prototype, what is the general consensus on it ?

Because I didn't read but also like never hear anyone talk about besides they want X character in fgo.

General consensus is that it's one of sakurai's better works in terms of nasuverse.
I think people put it on the same level as apocrypha.

[Paulie25]

While on the topic of prototype, what is the general consensus on it ?

Because I didn't read but also like never hear anyone talk about besides they want X character in fgo.

“Prototype” doesn’t really exist. It’s a 10 Minute trailer, a material book, and a drama CD. It seemed fine for what it was to our knowledge.

Prototype Fragments is pretty neat though, it has some interesting ideas and characters. A lot of people know these guys better as FGO characters nowadays but their home stories are also pretty cool. Serenity is particularly interesting compared to her FGO counterpart. Manaka is also always fun to watch imo, a personal sleeper fave of mine. Arthur is pretty boring tho. The fact it’s told in “fragments”, IE essentially every volume follows what happens with a specific faction from beginning to end instead of the series just generally being in chronological order takes some getting used to but I think it works for Sakurai’s means. Pretty neat, didn’t regret my time with it. I think Sakurai benefits from novel series a lot better than FGO.

That’s just personal opinion tho so I guess the consensus would more accurately be “It’s fine” I guess?

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Wait, Fate/Labyrinth takes place in Apocrypha's timeline?

Manaka dream travels to the Apo timeline cause lol Shenanigans until 666 yoinks her back home.

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Manaka dream travels to the Apo timeline cause lol Shenanigans until 666 yoinks her back home.

That's hilarious.

[Paulie25]

Labrynth is very funny premise wise, it feels like Manaka accepted a DLC exclusive side quest.

[8000]

I sort of enjoyed Fragments when I read it. Not in the sense of being a good story, but it had a kind of trippy, atmospheric vibe. That said, it’s really hard to think of any value in retrospect. I used to really like Prototype conceptually when I was a young, naive Fate fan, but it loses a lot of spark when you realize how many of the concepts from it probably didn’t exist before the OVA, so the story isn’t truly anything other than an outline/teaser.

That said the TL of Fragments I read wasn’t exactly great, and some scenes were just cliffnotes summarized, so I doubt have the best perspective here.

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Labrynth is very funny premise wise, it feels like Manaka accepted a DLC exclusive side quest.

She also took over the body of a random girl (Norma Goodfellow, right?) and became og Saber's Master, right?

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https://tw DOT manhuagui DOT com/comic/2317/19623.html#p=62

By the way, if anyone knows traditional Chinese, what happens in this comic? Caster possesses Shirou, and then Rin fights him, but does she kill him? I obviously don't know what's really going on (Archer's smile is hilarious, though).

[Paulie25]

Norma is certainly a character who exists.

But yeah she takes over her body for a bit while she’s there before 666 Yoinks her away.

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Norma is certainly a character who exists.

But yeah she takes over her body for a bit while she’s there before 666 Yoinks her away.

That's very funny. I also think it's funny that Norma is one of the few westerners with a somewhat normal name.

[Skull]

^ More than somewhat, a quick glance through obituaries shows me that there's been at least a couple of Norma Goodfellows in the past 50 years.

[Paulie25]

Do we know for sure where she’s from anyway, I assumed Britain but like

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^ More than somewhat, a quick glance through obituaries shows me that there's been at least a couple of Norma Goodfellows in the past 50 years.

I have a feeling that was the case, but I just wanted to hedge my bets by not saying anything definite.

Ah, the most normal western name in all of Type-Moon, and she's the protagonist of spin-off of a spin-off that no one cares about, and kind of gets possessed by the protagonist of the spin-off her book is a spin-off of.

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Do we know for sure where she’s from anyway, I assumed Britain but like

It sounds like a fairly British name to me.

[Rinko]

So, the matter of Pegasus came up elsewhere, and in trying to get a more than satisfying answer to "Why does Medusa have Pegasus?" I ended up with the conflicting info about the origins of Pegasus (In Fate itself). I'm pretty sure this was already talked about back when Saber Medusa was released on FGO, which I seem to recall being a mess anyways, but anyways.

Hollow Ataraxia shows us a scene from the Shapeless Isle days that showcases that Pegasus was gifted to Medusa by Poseidon.
Given the context here, this doesn't seem to be a retelling from a third party, but by an omniscient narrator, given how it goes into the real personalities of Stheno and Euryale etc.

Rider Medusa's Profile in FGO mentions Pegasus "emerging" from Medusa's blood when Perseus cut off her head, according to legend (Going with the NA translation here, for clarity)
Already there appears to be an issue here, but this is just "according to legend," so sure.

Gorgon's Bond CE casts doubt on the idea of Pegasus and Chrysaor being gifts from Poseidon, and rather being born from from Gorgon when she died.

And finally, Saber Medusa's Profile just treats this as a thing that actually did happen.


So, I find it kind of hard to try to sort out how this exactly would align, as it seems that over time, it was slowly completely flipped from the original depiction on Pegasus being, presumably literally, a gift from Poseidon, to aligning more with the(?) myth of her being pregnant with Pegasus and Chrysaor, courtesy of Poseidon.

[Noa]

It could be a case of the legend affecting her powers as a Heroic Spirit. Like in Fate's real history Pegasus was a gift, but since Heroic Spirits are affected by legends and human perception even if they weren't true, the stories of Medusa's death giving birth to Pegasus led to her needing to use her blood to summon it as a Servant.

[8000]

Not sure if it holds up, but the explanation I went with is that both are true. As in, Medusa upon metamorphosing into Gorgon ate Pegasus, and it was then freed from her when her head was cut off.

[Pjf238]

I have a feeling that was the case, but I just wanted to hedge my bets by not saying anything definite.

Ah, the most normal western name in all of Type-Moon, and she's the protagonist of spin-off of a spin-off that no one cares about, and kind of gets possessed by the protagonist of the spin-off her book is a spin-off of.

Dan Blackmore is also a pretty normal name so I wouldn’t say she’s the only one

(Leo and Julius Harwey are also pretty normal names, but unlike DB I couldn’t find obituaries for them, just evidence that Harwey was a real surname that was popular in the early 20th century)

[Paulie25]

Nasu’s earliest instance of saying Pegasus was born from Medusa is back in CMII I believe:

Takeuchi: So how did we decide on Medusa as an identity for Rider again? Was it because we were talking about the lack of a "sexy" type character?

Nasu: Yes, that's right. Rider was originally a male character, but we realised we didn't have enough female characters for a bishoujo game. The original concept for Rider was a masterless "stray" Servant whose name was Perseus, from Greek mythology. By the time he made his first appearance, his master was long dead. The concept took two or three different turns before it finally settled into the current Rider.

Takeuchi: When we reviewed the Servants in search of one that could be changed into a female, Berserker was out of the question and Assassin's identity as Kojiro was basically the punch line for his character, so that left Rider.

Nasu: But there weren't any legendary heroines with ties to Pegasus, so we selected Medusa, who gave birth to Pegasus, as Rider's new identity.

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So, I find it kind of hard to try to sort out how this exactly would align, as it seems that over time, it was slowly completely flipped from the original depiction on Pegasus being, presumably literally, a gift from Poseidon, to aligning more with the(?) myth of her being pregnant with Pegasus and Chrysaor, courtesy of Poseidon.

I don't think there's been any change. Medusa received the Pegasus from Poseidon, yet it comes out of the Gorgon.
The usual way people reconcile these two infos is that Gorgon ate the Pegasus and it was born again/escaped when it died.

And then I headcanon that Chrysaor is a fusion of Euryale and Stheno so everything it ate survived.

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Dan Blackmore is also a pretty normal name so I wouldn’t say she’s the only one

(Leo and Julius Harwey are also pretty normal names, but unlike DB I couldn’t find obituaries for them, just evidence that Harwey was a real surname that was popular in the early 20th century)

I'm going to be honest, I forgot about Dan Blackmore (this is probably because I have not played any of the Extra-verse games yet).

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So, the matter of Pegasus came up elsewhere, and in trying to get a more than satisfying answer to "Why does Medusa have Pegasus?" I ended up with the conflicting info about the origins of Pegasus (In Fate itself). I'm pretty sure this was already talked about back when Saber Medusa was released on FGO, which I seem to recall being a mess anyways, but anyways.

Hollow Ataraxia shows us a scene from the Shapeless Isle days that showcases that Pegasus was gifted to Medusa by Poseidon.
Given the context here, this doesn't seem to be a retelling from a third party, but by an omniscient narrator, given how it goes into the real personalities of Stheno and Euryale etc.

Rider Medusa's Profile in FGO mentions Pegasus "emerging" from Medusa's blood when Perseus cut off her head, according to legend (Going with the NA translation here, for clarity)
Already there appears to be an issue here, but this is just "according to legend," so sure.

Gorgon's Bond CE casts doubt on the idea of Pegasus and Chrysaor being gifts from Poseidon, and rather being born from from Gorgon when she died.

And finally, Saber Medusa's Profile just treats this as a thing that actually did happen.


So, I find it kind of hard to try to sort out how this exactly would align, as it seems that over time, it was slowly completely flipped from the original depiction on Pegasus being, presumably literally, a gift from Poseidon, to aligning more with the(?) myth of her being pregnant with Pegasus and Chrysaor, courtesy of Poseidon.

It's probably a situation where both versions of the story are true, somehow (not that that is unusual in mythology, and there are other examples of that being the case in this series).