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    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo View Post
    Imaginary demons don't have Reality Marbles, they just have something similar.
    I know they're not the same mechanically, but imaginary demons do have an innate ability called 'Reality Marble' that can distort the world based on their perception of it.

    I was mostly wondering if that phenomenon has ever been explained anywhere, or if we at least know anything about how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo View Post
    Imaginary demons don't have Reality Marbles, they just have something similar.
    actually im pretty sure it's the other way around
    demons and elementals have 'reality marbles', humans are the one's that worked towards having something similar
    the term was used to describe the demon's alien common sense or w/e but it changed to encompass the human version of a reality marble as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumghost View Post
    Yeah, anything from late 60's to early 70's would be about right.

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    Actually, I think the official timeline did put it somewhere in the 60's. It should be in CM3 if you want to check it.
    Yeah the official timeline puts it in the 60's. Also note that Grail War dates aren't exactly a set number of years apart, like 3rd War happened on the eve of WW2 which was said to be about 1938, but that's not exactly 60 years until 1995 where Zero is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todoko View Post
    actually im pretty sure it's the other way around
    demons and elementals have 'reality marbles', humans are the one's that worked towards having something similar
    the term was used to describe the demon's alien common sense or w/e but it changed to encompass the human version of a reality marble as well
    There are many types of demons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    There are many types of demons.
    Isn't it just the two types? Demons and True Demons?

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    Primordial Demons, True Demons, Incarnated Demons + those demons that possess you, the element Demon, and Majinka-ing and becoming a demon. Oh and fake demons like Avenger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post
    Primordial Demons, True Demons, Incarnated Demons + those demons that possess you, the element Demon, and Majinka-ing and becoming a demon.
    And Tohsaka Rin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry Jam View Post
    I know they're not the same mechanically, but imaginary demons do have an innate ability called 'Reality Marble' that can distort the world based on their perception of it.

    I was mostly wondering if that phenomenon has ever been explained anywhere, or if we at least know anything about how it works.
    It's based on their alien common sense. I don't think there's anything more about that. There's probably tones of speculation though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    And Tohsaka Rin.
    Wasn't that supposed to be Great Demon God? She's obviously Cthulu tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todoko View Post
    actually im pretty sure it's the other way around
    demons and elementals have 'reality marbles', humans are the one's that worked towards having something similar
    the term was used to describe the demon's alien common sense or w/e but it changed to encompass the human version of a reality marble as well
    A reality marble is a bounded field where the user paints the inside of it because world egg.

    A Demon can do the world painting outside of it not even bothering with a Bounded Field.

    Reality Marbles were made in trying to imitate that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    A reality marble is a bounded field where the user paints the inside of it because world egg.

    A Demon can do the world painting outside of it not even bothering with a Bounded Field.

    Reality Marbles were made in trying to imitate that.
    What I was referring to:

    Reality Marble [Ability]
    Source: Melty Blood Act Cadenza PS2 Manual (2006-08-10), p.056
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    Intrinsic Field. Originally referred to the alien common sense possessed by the beings called devils, but now also includes the unique boundary fields possessed by many people.
    don't shoot the messenger D:

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    Could Rule Breaker dispel a projected Noble Phantasm?

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    No.
    Why?

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    All Spells Must Be Broken [Noble Phantasm]
    Rule Breaker.
    A dagger that can destroy any sorcery.
    It is an anti-sorcery Noble Phantasm, that returns any objects strengthened with magical energy, connections bound by contracts, or life forms created out of magical energy, to a state prior to their "creation".
    Of course, there are limits. No matter how low the rank, it is impossible for Rule Breaker to affect a Noble Phantasm.


    It's not an object strengthened with magical energy, a contract, or a life form. It is also a Noble Phantasm.

    I mean, I suppose if you smashed Rule Breaker against another sword hard enough, it might have the effect of breaking said sword if that sword is just as awkwardly shaped. Maybe. Probably not on Caster's STR tho.

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    It's not an object strengthened with magical energy, a contract, or a life form.
    It might not be a life form but is an object made out of magical energy. I can't see Rule Breaker refusing to dispel it just because it's not a life form.
    It is also a Noble Phantasm.
    No it's not, it's a projection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaRbS View Post
    It might not be a life form but is an object made out of magical energy.
    They are clearly made out of metal.

    And you don't understand projection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    A reality marble is a bounded field where the user paints the inside of it because world egg.

    A Demon can do the world painting outside of it not even bothering with a Bounded Field.

    Reality Marbles were made in trying to imitate that.
    Okay. I assumed that was the case, I just wanted to make sure.

    Does Gaia just not care when they start painting over reality, then?

    I assume that's the case, since human Reality Marbles are 'anomalies' that Gaia tries to crush, but imaginary demons are a part of nature so what they're doing is technically 'natural'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry Jam View Post
    Okay. I assumed that was the case, I just wanted to make sure.

    Does Gaia just not care when they start painting over reality, then?

    I assume that's the case, since human Reality Marbles are 'anomalies' that Gaia tries to crush, but imaginary demons are a part of nature so what they're doing is technically 'natural'.
    EMIYA's reality marble can be used without penalty as well.

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    A Reality Marble involves replacing part of the World Egg with your own. Gaia doesn't start to crush it until the caster can no longer keep it up because that's when the Marble's structure is compromised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsaRandomUsername View Post
    A Reality Marble involves replacing part of the World Egg with your own. Gaia doesn't start to crush it until the caster can no longer keep it up because that's when the Marble's structure is compromised.
    So... It's a bit like this?

    X is the spot where you want to make the reality marble. Normally, X = 1.

    The RM makes X = 2. Prana gets poured into continually making X = 2. When there is no more prana, the world notices that X isn't 1 and turns it back into X = 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokeoutVictim View Post
    So... It's a bit like this?

    X is the spot where you want to make the reality marble. Normally, X = 1.

    The RM makes X = 2. Prana gets poured into continually making X = 2. When there is no more prana, the world notices that X isn't 1 and turns it back into X = 1.
    That's the long and short of it, yep.
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