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    I dunno if he's really comparing Arc to primate murder there or just dropping some Servants-vs-DAAs trivia.

    (cause in light of the stuff he's been revealing in FGO recently "there's 7 Servants because it takes 7 guardians to control primate murder" is like .........)
    Last edited by Kotonoha; January 6th, 2016 at 03:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    100% Arc is never compared to Servants. Actually Nasu did say 30% Arc is the one equivalent to 4 Servants, he compares 100% Arc with Primate Murder.
    So uh, by that logic 7 Servants should be about enough to fight 100% Arc. There were probably more than 7 True Ancestors.

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    As a matter of fact, my mirror image weighs a lot less than I do, given that it's made out of photons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    So uh, by that logic 7 Servants should be about enough to fight 100% Arc. There were probably more than 7 True Ancestors.
    One hundred give or take.

    But we already know True Ancestors are garbage compared to Arcueid.

    A hundred of them can't handle ten Fallen True Ancestors.

    Arcueid easily stomped three of the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha View Post
    I dunno if he's really comparing Arc to primate murder there or just dropping some Servants-vs-DAAs trivia.
    it is this
    Last edited by Embrace tophats; January 6th, 2016 at 03:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    The moon is still a mirror image, not an
    And we know that because... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siriel View Post
    One hundred give or take.

    But we already know True Ancestors are garbage compared to Arcueid.

    A hundred of them can't handle ten Fallen True Ancestors.

    Arcueid easily stomped three of the latter.
    And I think Church dealt with at least one.

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    quick question: is this discussion going to go anywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Embrace tophats View Post
    quick question: is this discussion going to go anywhere?
    Yes, to sleep eventually. Probably about the time Dartz does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desuclocker View Post
    Yes, to sleep eventually. Probably about the time Dartz does.
    [ignore]
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    Nobody cares, don't randomly attention hog to kill discussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotonoha View Post
    I dunno if he's really comparing Arc to primate murder there or just dropping some Servants-vs-DAAs trivia.

    (cause in light of the stuff he's been revealing in FGO recently "there's 7 Servants because it takes 7 guardians to control primate murder" is like .........)
    Why would he throw DAA vs Servants trivia in an Arc question? I always say that answer as "4 Servants for 30% Arc since it takes 7 CGs for Primate Murder" as a comparison to how much more powerful Arc is at 100%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blastedspider View Post
    And we know that because... ?
    It's a RM created through MP. You aren't going to see pigs flying or pink elephants on it. It needs to conform to the rules of Gaia. Also Arc/CM already made a moon in Melty Blood during the fight with Wallachia. There is very little ground to argue that the falling moon is weaker or lighter than it should be.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Why would he throw DAA vs Servants trivia in an Arc question?
    It's what Nasu does. Like, all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Why would he throw DAA vs Servants trivia in an Arc question? I always say that answer as "4 Servants for 30% Arc since it takes 7 CGs for Primate Murder" as a comparison to how much more powerful Arc is at 100%.
    Cause "uh, 30% I guess?" would be a boring answer on its own?

    Cause "...and that's why there's 7 Servants apparently" isn't really relevant to the question either way. (just nobody thought it said that, because at the time when we thought the 3 families came up with the concept of Servants it wouldn't have made any sense)
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    It needs to conform to the rules of Gaia.
    Yeah, and there is no rule that mirror image of the Moon should have exactly same weight as real one. And you dodged the question about him using Marble Phantasm on Io. I would suspect that this is impossible, since Marble Phantasm is about using the World.

    Also Arc/CM already made a moon in Melty Blood during the fight with Wallachia.
    As far as I understood, she recreated natural phenomenon of the Red Moon. I do not think that she created another celestial body, since it is only one moon in the sky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blastedspider View Post
    Yeah, and there is no rule that mirror image of the Moon should have exactly same weight as real one. And you dodged the question about him using Marble Phantasm on Io.


    As far as I understood, she recreated natural phenomenon of the Red Moon. I do not think that she created another celestial body, since it is only one moon in the sky.
    What, you missed the part in Melty Blood where the planet was rocked by earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and mass extinctions during the finale because of a second moon suddenly appearing out of nowhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blastedspider View Post
    Yeah, and there is no rule that mirror image of the Moon should have exactly same weight as real one. And you dodged the question about him using Marble Phantasm on Io.
    It's more like there is little reason to assume otherwise. If a meteor of rock is created with Marble Phantasm is it safe to assume it's lighter than a regular rock? Even beings like Flat Snark that bend all over the rules of reality made a meteor of ice tougher than regular ice. Ok fine, I concede there is not enough evidence to say he'll be able to use MP on Io.

    As far as I understood, she recreated natural phenomenon of the Red Moon. I do not think that she created another celestial body, since it is only one moon in the sky.
    It wasn't simply the phenomenon of the red moon, it was the phenomenon of the red moon 1000 years in the future. She also said she "created a world", and Dust of Osiris later extracted it to use it for her own benefits. It wouldn't be possible if she simply transfigured the environment.
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    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Because, Dartz, if the mirror image of the moon was literally the same as the moon then simply existing would have devastated the entire planet, regardless of whether or not it smashed into it. Because of gravity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    What, you missed the part in Melty Blood where the planet was rocked by earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, and mass extinctions during the finale because of a second moon suddenly appearing out of nowhere?
    I did!

    The whales were okay right??
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    I'm so sorry, Siriel.

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    It wouldn't be possible if she simply transfigured the environment.
    As far as I understood, it was basically the equivalent of setting your computer time to year 3001. I.e. it was recreation of rare condition of Earth via Reality Marble.

    It's more like there is little reason to assume otherwise.
    That happened in historical time, and there is no mention of large scale catastrophes caused second moon, for example.

    Ok fine, I concede there is not enough evidence to say he'll be able to use MP on Io.
    Well, so other Types might have not that sort of territorial advantage.

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