The weaker aspect of Shirou is that a Servant that isn't playing around (Gil is obvious, Shirou lost to Berserker Alter despite doing something he's normally incapable of and only didn't die because Ilya's appearance made Herk pause, and Saber Alter decided not to move around and play the defensive game) will stomp him before any special projections or their properties even start mattering.
Originally Posted by ほうれん草
I believe it was the limit of projections he could do, 3 i think?
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
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That's fair. Just how much stronger physically/in other aspects does Archer's arm make Shirou? Not counting the projections ofc
Last edited by Apple; August 20th, 2017 at 10:20 AM.
I forget was it talking about the all of UBW or was it just talking about him just comparing his copying of a Servants weapon when facing it's actual user?
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
While that's true, it's also worth remembering that if he's using the arm he's probably going to be dead soon anyway.
Herc only really died to Saber Alter in that route, IIRC, although since he's still got those wounds left when he's blackened by the Shadow I suspect that he lost God Hand. That's just my theory, though.(Someone remind whether Nine Lives killed Herk once or more than that.)
Herc also doesn't regenerate between the hits of Nine Lives, I think, which might indicate that as well? He's got Battle Continuation A, though, so he's not actually down until you kill him.
In any case, he still needs Ilya to distract Herc so he can get in the final blow and kill him. I don't think he actually beats any servant without having someone else assisting him, come think of it, although that's probably not too relevant.
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Old!Kotomine running speed
I kind of find it a bit baffling that UBW isn't considered that big of a threat to most Servants. If Shirou is using it, I can see that being the case. Still, Archer managed to kill Heracles about 6 times (their fight was off-screen but iirc it was alluded that Archer used UBW on him). UBW isn't that much different from GoB offensively, aside from having several
more types of NPs (like shields or sth like Enkidu).
He didn't kill Gilgamesh while UBW was active, though the scene implies that, if not for getting interrupted by Angra+Excalibur, he'd have done so.
He didn't kill Berserker. Berserker was about to kill Shirou before choosing suicide-by-Shirou because, even though he shouldn't be able to sense Illya, he did, and wanted Shirou to save her.
If beating Saber means that he goes into a vegetative state to disable her for 10 or so minutes, yeah.
In the VN. While UBW is active, Shirou is able to call up a weapon stored in it faster than Gil can shoot because Shirou doesn't have to spend time projecting it. Presumably if Gil had managed to deplete all of Shirou's active weapons, Shirou would have had to start projecting weapons again, and lost the advantage he had.
The advantage UBW had is why Gilgamesh eventually tried to grab Ea.
I wouldn't say Shirou stomped anyone. It was a pretty close fight with Gilgamesh, but the other cases are the Servants he's fighting going easy for whatever reason.
Upper arm, collarbone, windpipe, temple, diaphram, rib, testicles, and thigh. I take aim at the eight targets.
"SetNine Lives Blade Works."
I surpass the crashing speed of sound using godspeed!
But he doesn't fall.
His entire body has been torn through by his own weapon, but Berserker's still alive.
I step forward.
His weapon is in my left hand.
I'm faster.
I can land a finishing blow before Berserker, who's missing an eighth of his body.
I raise the giant sword up to his chest and thrust it like a lance.
But I lost.
I put all I had into it.
I used every ounce of the unfair advantage I have, but it still wasn't enough.
Berserker's attack draws near.
It's swung down with hurricane force.
I twist my body.
I use all my abilities to evade his attack.
I saw it coming.
So I can dodge it.
Berserker's attack will only graze my head.
--But that will still kill me instantly.
Even a grazing blow from that monstrous blade will be the end.
A direct hit can even destroy the ground.
Even a brush with the tip of his sword will scatter my head like tofu.
The giant sword comes crashing down.
My vision freezes the instant my head is blown away.
--But
The sword swung with blinding speed...is stopped with blinding speed.
"--Eh?"
The deathblow never comes.
""
The black giant is looking forward.
Not at me, who's under him.
He's staring at the white girl who emerged from her cover.
I pierce him.
Without hesitation or mercy, I drive the giant sword into his heart.
There's no counter-attack.
Berserker exhausts the last of his life force and crumbles to dust, for good this time.
…And at that moment.
As his red eyes fade away, they remain focused on the girl, telling me to protect her.
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Ikr? Seems a bit odd especially with how strong Rho Aias is and the general capacity to swordspam.
The VN never suggests he used UBW against Herk. That was a DEEN thing.
I suppose that not mentioning a reality marble being used is a way to keep from spoilering who Emiya actually is, but odd that nothing is mentioned about it.And the battle between the two ends.
They killed and exterminated each other with all their might, and it ended with the annihilation of the red knight.
The gorgeous hall is completely transformed.
The floor is cracked in numerous places.
Many walls have been knocked down.
The stairs have collapsed and the smashed marble has scattered in the wind.
The space has been completely destroyed, leaving no trace of its former beauty.
You could say it has also destroyed time.
Because the remains of the destruction hide what the place looked like just two hours ago.
""
In the middle of the destruction stands a suitable sculpture.
It stands over two meters tall, looking like a figure of a man carved out of a large stone.
It does not even need to be said.
It is Ilyasviel's Servant, Berserker.
The giant does not move.
His body is dyed in red and filled with holes.
There is no place on the giant's body that is not wounded.
First, both his legs are almost melted.
Second, there is the mark of a cut on his neck.
Third, his arm is barely hanging from his elbow.
Fourth, he is slashed from his shoulder to his groin.
Fifth, a large amount of blood is gushing out from his chest.
Sixth, his internal organs can be seen at his stomach.
Berserker does not move.
It is only natural.
It is a corpse, no matter how one looks at it.
The battle itself has ended much earlier.
But Berserker's Master has forgotten to act as this result is too surprising and unexpected.
She has to pursue her prey, but she is only looking at this scene in astonishment.
"--I can't believe it. Who was he?"
She murmurs angrily.
The battle that took place here was nothing but humiliation for her.
Her Servant is the most powerful.
There should only be one or two Servants able to match Hercules, the most famous of all the heroic spirits.
But Archer, a heroic spirit of unknown identity, has defeated him.
That red knight has matched Berserker equally and has succeeded in killing Berserker, something no one has been able to do before.
For her, this is like being stabbed in the heart by a bug on the roadside.
The pride of a girl who considers herself the strongest cannot allow her to be cornered by someone who should be stepped on, begging for sympathy.
"Geez, that pisses me off! Getting defeated six times...you weren't going easy on him, were you!?"
The sculpture does not answer.
It might be unable to afford an answer, or perhaps it sees no need for one.
Berserker just stands there and devotes himself to healing his wounds.
…This battle was too strange for him as well.
His "Noble Phantasm" nullifies any attack.
No attack can affect his body unless it is of the highest grade.
So, he rarely takes wounds.
In the age of gods, no one could scratch him after he had accomplished his great deeds.
But still, six times.
Archer delivered a fatal blow six times.
It does not even need to be said that every one of the attacks was by a different method.
Even the greatest attacks cannot be effective on Berserker twice.
…If one seeks strangeness, that is the strange part.
If Archer is a hero with such varied abilities, his true identity should have been clear.
But his true identity still remained unknown even after his body was pulverized.
What was really surprising was his way of being, contradictory to that of a Servant.
except UBW doesn't work on Herc, because you need A rank weapons to hurt hercUnlimited Blade Works
Rank: E ~ A++
Also, the power of replicated Noble Phantasms is degraded by one rank compared to the originals.
That reminds me, how much say did Nasu have in the DEEN anime anyway, that could clear up on how canon the stuff that went on there is.
Also wasn't Shielder supposed to have debuted in the anime also?
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But the max rank it can go is A+, and considering Calabolg that's plenty enough to hurt Herk.
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Oh and Emiya can also BP to make it up.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
I can't help but feel like this wouldn't be a thing if they were fighting in UBW.The gorgeous hall is completely transformed.
The floor is cracked in numerous places.
Many walls have been knocked down.
The stairs have collapsed and the smashed marble has scattered in the wind.
The space has been completely destroyed, leaving no trace of its former beauty.
You could say it has also destroyed time.
Because the remains of the destruction hide what the place looked like just two hours ago.
Also, this doesn't exactly sound like a sword-rain:
It sounds more like Archer actually projected the weapons in question and used them to whack at Berserker. Incidentally, I guess those are the six mortal wounds? That seems to be what it's suggesting, at least, by counting out six of them and then mentioning that he was defeated six times.First, both his legs are almost melted.
Second, there is the mark of a cut on his neck.
Third, his arm is barely hanging from his elbow.
Fourth, he is slashed from his shoulder to his groin.
Fifth, a large amount of blood is gushing out from his chest.
Sixth, his internal organs can be seen at his stomach.
What weapon would be used for melting his legs, though? Does that sound familiar to anyone?
Rho Aias is actually a pretty bad shield to use for Shirou. There's a reason it's not used unless Shirou/Emiya would die without it.
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Well, Broken Phantasms would work, but then that begs the question of how Archer managed to BP six times.
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No idea. He did like the whole Overedge thing though.
I could've sworn there was a brief CG in the RN version with Archer in UBW against Heracles. Must've gotten mixed up if that wasn't the case.
>Rank: E ~ A++
Although I don't take wikis that seriously(unless it was explicitly put on the status screen). Plus what Ice said just now.
EDIT: Makes me wonder how many EX NPs Archer's copied to end up with A rank ones tho.
Last edited by Pretzelz; August 20th, 2017 at 11:17 AM.
I believe it was in the status screen, also it is UBW ranking in GO.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
You know looking over Romulus' Septem Colles skill on how he can give blessings to his children and than thinking about the connection that was stated between his Magna and Rhon, do think he can give similar Gifts to what the Lion King did? If so then if ROMA was motivated in Septem we would have had a harder time during it wouldn't we.
"Only in my company, will you not be a monster"
anywhere than here
i know that BP can hurt Herc, btw how do you know that Archer can't use BP six times? can't rememeber the VN mentioned a limit
it's from the Material book, also in the VN and GO and he can't project EX rank weapons without the support of the owner
I never said he couldn't do it, just hard to believe that he had the mana to do it.
Magical energy wouldn't be a problem when your master is Rin.
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Yeah, you got bondage Sakura instead.
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