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[fire_mountain_30]

are NPs still considered magecraft?

[You]

are NPs still considered magecraft?

Depends on the NP.
IA is literally magecraft.
Something like Bellerophon is not.

[castor212]

i see it as NP being a status badge

this sword is legendary to a heroic spirit, apply NP status badge
this magecraft is legendary to a heroic spirit, apply NP status badge
this pebbel is legendary to a heroic spirit, apply NP status badge

[Menwearpink]

On spacebattles you need at least neighborhood level debate cred if you even want to get your foot in the door

But then you also have to establish your posting feats by making a wpm calc by counting how many minutes are in-between your posts.

As for NPs, you also have things that aren’t NPs but are at a similar level of being strong, like Ata’s bow.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

depends on the "some."
Natalia has enough succubus in her to give her powerz.
So sure if you have enough.

It'd have been a couple thousand generations since the Gods last walked on Earth right, unless some Divine Spirits could have had relations with humans...?

[All fictions]

What I keep trying to say is that even though "the rules" of the world can change for various reasons, the true rules underneath them that allow for those very changes to occur will always remain. Thus the whole "Everything is fundamentally Mystical, because that's how Reality even works in that universe"... this isn't that hard.

EDIT: No matter what the current laws are, no matter who made them or why, the world at it's core is still functioning the same. The material that these laws effect are the same (Grain, Ether, Primordial Goop, whatever). Hell, the methods are basically the same (Birds fly because the gods said so, now Birds fly because humans say so). IT'S ALL THE F%#&ING SAME. D@#N. THING! THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMON SENSE OF MAN AND SO AND SO'S MYSTICAL AND EXCLUSIVE FOUNDATION BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME PROCESS THAT HAS MERELY BEEN INVERTED!

The saga continues, now with ALLCAPS to prove he is right!

[Zurvan]

ah yes, he knows the 'true rules'

really might as well stop reading at that point

[fire_mountain_30]

The issue is that an area is constantly changing, so the magical inclinations that are natural to that environment also change minute to minute.
Flat is able to figure this all out in this head and activate a formula that's part of the natural foundation. That's the main reason why they call his magecraft "Chaos Magic"

ok so Flat is a slightly less dangerous Accelerator, got it.

damn, math conputations stronk

[fire_mountain_30]

Depends on the NP.
IA is literally magecraft.
Something like Bellerophon is not.

ok, more specific example

beamus, explosions and elemental attacks that arent authorities or stated to be just releases of raw mana like excalibur or true ether like balmung.

also, rule breaker. is rule breaker magecraft?

[Mcjon01]

"Saber. Are Noble Phantasms magecraft?
Lancer's lance certainly seemed like a lance with history, but the lance itself wasn't extraordinary.
But that lance went beyond the realm of weapons with his words. Isn't that some sort of magecraft?"


"Yes, Noble Phantasms are certainly similar to magecraft.
For example, Lancer's lance itself is a Noble Phantasm, but it demonstrates its full potential only when he puts magical energy into it and says its true name."

"A Noble Phantasm could be called a materialized mystery.
As spells are necessary to activate magecraft, recitation of the true name is necessary to awaken and to activate the Noble Phantasm.
But there is also a danger in that. By saying the true name of their Noble Phantasm, the identity of the Servant is revealed."

"…Oh yeah. Heroes and their weapons are one. If you know the weapon's name, you naturally know the identity of the owner."

They’re similar but not the same thing
Also lance lance lance lance lance
槍槍だぜ

[Kotonoha]

it's not even a fucking lance

[Rafflesiac]

ransa no rans... a

[Deathhappens]

There's one lance in the entire cast of Lancers and when the user actually appears in the story she isn't even riding her horse (sprites aside).

[castor212]

this pebble i pick in the midside of the roads is totes mystical

how do i turn it into a battery

[Mcjon01]

Shoot neutrons at it, and also move somewhere where you don’t find chunks of enriched uranium just lying in the road I don’t think that’s healthy

[Deathhappens]

You can technically convert any type of matter into energy. It's just easier to do it with something that's already "leaking" (radioactive) than with a common piece of granite.

[fire_mountain_30]

this pebble i pick in the midside of the roads is totes mystical

how do i turn it into a battery

feed it a mystic heart

[neveron]

There's one lance in the entire cast of Lancers and when the user actually appears in the story she isn't even riding her horse (sprites aside).

Hey, be fair, Lancer Alter also rides her horse in the story. It's just that calling that bit "story" is being really generous.

Of course, the reason for all this is probably just that IIRC Japanese doesn't make have the strict Lance vs. Spear specification that English has, with yari (槍) carrying either meaning.
Not that the class is limited to spears either, mind you. There's at least one scythe, Enkidu's got some shit going on, and I don't even know what to call Romulus' weapon.

But at the same time, well, how many saber-using Sabers are there? It's mostly just longswords and katanas, with the occasional fantasy design like Altera. Off the top of my head, the only saber in F/GO might be the cutlass used by Mary Read (a Rider)?

[Lily Emilio]

parasol = spear.

[Deathhappens]

Hey, be fair, Lancer Alter also rides her horse in the story. It's just that calling that bit "story" is being really generous.

Of course, the reason for all this is probably just that IIRC Japanese doesn't make have the strict Lance vs. Spear specification that English has, with yari (槍) carrying either meaning.
Not that the class is limited to spears either, mind you. There's at least one scythe, Enkidu's got some shit going on, and I don't even know what to call Romulus' weapon.

But at the same time, well, how many saber-using Sabers are there? It's mostly just longswords and katanas, with the occasional fantasy design like Altera. Off the top of my head, the only saber in F/GO might be the cutlass used by Mary Read (a Rider)?

A saber is traditionally a cavalry sword, so yeah, Mary's sword (a cutlass) is the closest approximation. Katanas ARE similar in design, though, being in the same family of curved single-edge swords.

And I know the Japanese don't make the same distinction between spears and lances, but nobody forced them to call the class Lancer, either.