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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    where? in NA?
    The majority of everything he says has Rome or Roma mentioned like a verbal tic.

    Turns out I was misremembering the moment of clarity. Thought he compared his spear to Rhongo, but I can't find it.
    Welp fanon it is I guess, and thus Romulus is complete meme.

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    Think that's in Lartoria's interlude

    tho he just hops in saying ROMA mainly

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    The last time Romulus was anything approaching serious was his challenge quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Have we had any Egyptian gods introduced or referenced? It feels like they are surprisingly absent throughout the Nasuverse. No Ra (except for Ozy being Pharaoh and his incarnation on Earth), no Horus, Apep, Sekhmet or anyone.
    Sion's last name in FGO, Sokaris is actually an egyptian god
    Nitocris during her chapter in Oshiete FGO! mentioned Nefertem, which ties into the flowers that Nefertari (Ozy's waifu) is always wearing
    Also, the end of Requiem vol. 1 teases a character that may be one of the egyptian gods as a servant
    So, with this and examples in the posts above, we have plenty of egyptian gods referenced, but yet to see one in person (which may change with Requiem if the theories are right)

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    is Egyptian myth complicating or hard to do research? seems like only Sakurai is bother doing the research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    is Egyptian myth complicating or hard to do research? seems like only Sakurai is bother doing the research.
    It's clearly not in Nasu's focus, which is why it doesn't feel as noticeable as all the syncretism milking between Buddhism and other religions or Seiba love.

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    I also will give Nasu credit for his Hinduism knowledge, especially since LB4 hits all the greatest beats. My only problem is how he overshadows it with Mahayana syncretism. Syncretism IRL is just something that happens and isn't necessarily bad or good, but still, representing a good deal of the gods through Japanese forms is not my cup of tea.

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    The Egyptians are probably best suited for pseudo-Servants, though, since there's a whole thing about Gods taking on a human as an Eye and living human lives, like with the pharaohs.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    I also will give Nasu credit for his Hinduism knowledge, especially since LB4 hits all the greatest beats. My only problem is how he overshadows it with Mahayana syncretism. Syncretism IRL is just something that happens and isn't necessarily bad or good, but still, representing a good deal of the gods through Japanese forms is not my cup of tea.
    Same
    The Egyptians are probably best suited for pseudo-Servants, though, since there's a whole thing about Gods taking on a human as an Eye and living human lives, like with the pharaohs.
    Yeah, well, the profiles of the three pharaohs we have treats them as "children and incarnations" of the gods (Ozy=Ra, Nito=Horus and Cleo=Isis)

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    what about Darius? almost no one remembers he is also a Pharaoh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    what about Darius? almost no one remembers he is also a Pharaoh.
    LOL, true, he and Iskandar were pharaohs, but I don't remember any mention in their profiles about it
    I think we only got that one interlude that had Iskandar hanging out with the pharaoh crew

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    There's also the HERMES computers of Atlas.

    Though Egypt wouldn't be immune from syncretism.
    There's always the chance they go for Hermes Trismagestus at least.

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    I mean isn't there literally another system called TRISMEGISTUS?

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    Yeah that's Chaldea's version, apparently a copy of Atlas' Tri-Hermes.

    So the names of those could hold some significance later, like how SHEBA did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    LOL, true, he and Iskandar were pharaohs, but I don't remember any mention in their profiles about it
    I think we only got that one interlude that had Iskandar hanging out with the pharaoh crew
    Iskandar was also rollable in the Pharaoh gacha, if that counts for anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray View Post
    There's also the HERMES computers of Atlas.

    Though Egypt wouldn't be immune from syncretism.
    There's always the chance they go for Hermes Trismagestus at least.
    It's syncretism if you can call people making things up syncretism. Hermes is a greek god, Hermes Trismegistos is identified with Thoth in hermeticism, because being a god once is not enough wank.

    I think Nasu isn't touching Egypt anymore because of intersecting material. 'Materialization of Soul' is surprisingly cheeky of him as a central mystery to base Fate around, but then Sion in Melty creates the philosopher's stones, which concepually is the same thing.

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    Hermes Trismegistus did not come from nowhere, though, and wasn't just made up.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    But a lot of stuff about him that is now considered common knowledge is obviously made up. And there is a big difference between a manuscript of confirmable age, containing a historian's creative interpretation of a people's myths which leads to inconsistencies with other accounts, and a bunch of gnostics spitballing about another gnostic who may or may not have written the christian fan fiction Hermetica (dating to 200~AD) so they feel less pathetic about their miserable material-obsessed lives, and have something to write books about and a base to extort money through in cultlike fashion, while actually referencing the original work as little as possible, because they can't actually read it, because 15th century words are hard.

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    I mean syncretism because two people worshipped the same god called something else due to language barriers, or two gods becoming effectively the same because the people mingled and tried to make sense of each other, that's one thing. Syncretism because this guy called himself Hermes (as in, I am delivering knowledge to you, which makes me like Hermes) which DEFINITELY also means he is Thoth because the god of knowledge is Thoth, that's just pathetic. Step up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratman View Post
    But a lot of stuff about him that is now considered common knowledge is obviously made up. And there is a big difference between a manuscript of confirmable age, containing a historian's creative interpretation of a people's myths which leads to inconsistencies with other accounts, and a bunch of gnostics spitballing about another gnostic who may or may not have written the christian fan fiction Hermetica (dating to 200~AD) so they feel less pathetic about their miserable material-obsessed lives, and have something to write books about and a base to extort money through in cultlike fashion, while actually referencing the original work as little as possible, because they can't actually read it, because 15th century words are hard.

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    I mean syncretism because two people worshipped the same god called something else due to language barriers, or two gods becoming effectively the same because the people mingled and tried to make sense of each other, that's one thing. Syncretism because this guy called himself Hermes (as in, I am delivering knowledge to you, which makes me like Hermes) which DEFINITELY also means he is Thoth because the god of knowledge is Thoth, that's just pathetic. Step up.
    First, Hermes Trismegistus isn't JUST Hermes and Thoth, but also is identified by Christian, Muslim, and I think Jewish sources with the prophet Idris/Enoch. Also, about those made up ideas, they do come from somewhere, and even if they can't be verified to any written manuscript, they still do have a basis in ancient Gnostic thought, as you said, and in fact, the whole character of Hermes was essentially a means to harmonize Hellenic philospophy with Abrahamic scripture, and his purported knowledge was used to find the "actual" truth of Scripture, whether that be the Koran (which I know a bit more about) or the Bible.

    In any case, yeah, he's kind of a mess, but he made sense to those who followed "his" teachings.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Tri-Hermes is just Nasu's Magi supercomputer
    Quote Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions I
    Dumas flashed a fearless grin at Flat and Jack as he rattled off odd turns of phrase.
    "And most importantly, it's me who'll be doing the cooking."
    Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
    Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
    Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.


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    Which does make some sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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