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[Ideofago]

This has probably been asked before, but if Archer's limitations for projecting divine constructs is raw magical power, could an Archer powered by the grail make an Excalibur and live? Could the Counter-Force give him enough magical energy if required?

[madarra]

Its my favourite headcanon, the counter force uses Archer for everything cuz UBW is just to versatile.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I wonder if he and Assassin Kiritsugu ever worked together on a job?

[Araya's Dry Cleaner]

This has probably been asked before, but if Archer's limitations for projecting divine constructs is raw magical power, could an Archer powered by the grail make an Excalibur and live? Could the Counter-Force give him enough magical energy if required?

That was most likely a bluff. Or Archer would project something like Gram and die after firing it.

Actual full replication of a Divine construct would be impossible due to him not able to comprehend it.

Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?

A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.

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That’s always seemed a bit strange to me since HF Shirou thinks that his copy of the Jeweled Sword was a failure which should have caused the sword to break based on his projections in the other routes.

Unless Archer’s superior skills means that his projections no longer break when they don’t match his image.

What Shirou/Archer think don't matter. It's what the World thinks that really matters.

Shirou did not understand the intricacies of Zelretch, but what he got was close enough such that the World did not crush it instantly.

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I don't know if this has been asked already, so sorry for a repeat if it has. Is UBW able to copy highly advance melee weapons like the lightsaber or for something that looks more like a sword, the power sword from Warhammer 40k? I'm new to the franchise and my friends said this is the forum for fans of the nasuverse.

I am pretty sure you can make a power sword in your shed.
You don't need UWB.

[Stoker]

I don't know if this has been asked already, so sorry for a repeat if it has. Is UBW able to copy highly advance melee weapons like the lightsaber or for something that looks more like a sword, the power sword from Warhammer 40k? I'm new to the franchise and my friends said this is the forum for fans of the nasuverse.

You are thinking too small my friend. The real big brain question is can he copy and project the sword of the emperor or a nemisis level weapon?

[Asunder]

What Shirou/Archer think don't matter. It's what the World thinks that really matters.

Shirou did not understand the intricacies of Zelretch, but what he got was close enough such that the World did not crush it instantly.
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It's actually the other way around, what the world thinks doesn't matter because Shirou has his own world. Which is why Shirou can have a shed of random projected junk for months when projections should only last minutes.

But if what he creates in reality contradicts the image he has of it in his mind, then the projection breaks ( projections being a blatant metaphor for his ideals). But for some reason this didn't happen when he saw his projected jeweled sword and thought that it wasn't anything like the real thing.

[All fictions]

Question about the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.

The wiki being the wiki, it claims that Shiki Tohno can have retrocognition and precognition, as in he can have visions of the past and the future in extremely specific circumstances related to death. Likewise, Shiki Ryougi is said to be able to see the future "under the influence of her self-suggestion".

Does anyone recall these claims being actually being true? I only know Shiki T. sees Roa's past in TsukiRe, but nothing like that in the original game.

Shirou is unable to project Ea because it predates the concept of a weapon or much of anything, for that matter

Nah, it's just copyright strike:

Though it is wielded by Gilgamesh, who has the prototypes of every Noble Phantasm, the Sword of Rupture Ea is different from the other Noble Phantasms that can be possessed by other heroes. It alone is a completely unique existence that can only be possessed by Gilgamesh. Therefore, even with Unlimited Blade Works, it is impossible to reproduce it.

[Dullahan]

Question about the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception.

The wiki being the wiki, it claims that Shiki Tohno can have retrocognition and precognition, as in he can have visions of the past and the future in extremely specific circumstances related to death. Likewise, Shiki Ryougi is said to be able to see the future "under the influence of her self-suggestion".

tohno one sounds like bullshit. the ryougi one is a very questionable interpretation of something that happens in paradox spiral. don't read the wiki.

[Leftovers]

The wiki being the wiki, it claims that Shiki Tohno can have retrocognition and precognition, as in he can have visions of the past and the future in extremely specific circumstances related to death.

Sounds like someone thought KT dreamfuckery is generally applicable.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Remake

Well, Tohno did see Vlov's life right as he saw the latter's line of death or right before he killed Vlov, so maybe?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Forgot about that policy. My b.

[Deathhappens]

Counter or dodging it physically? No, and that's the whole point. He is cheating by distorting time-space so you cannot do anything about it.

The only way to counter it would be through other Mysteries or distorting Causality (which is what Instinct is).

I was kind of getting at you can probably "counter" it by face-tanking it if you are a good Servant.

Instinct distorts causality? First I ever heard of this.

[AAM1232]

Saber surviving GB was put down to Instinct + Luck.

Instinct: A
Instinct is the ability to instantly identify “the best personal course of action” during combat. Because this skill allows for the prediction of trajectory, it is possible to avoid attacks from firearms. At rank A, it is essentially in the realm of predicting the future. Through this ability, it is possible to negate the penalties inflicted by visual and auditory interference to a certain extend.
Being able to discern Cú Chulainn’s ultimate technique certainly reflects her skills, but having exceptional Instinct also helped her immensely.

Gáe Bolg: Spear of Piercing Barbed Death
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Without a great deal of luck (like Artoria), it can be said that this is a technique that determines "if it is released, the opponent is dead."

[All fictions]

don't read the wiki.

It's usually pretty fun trying to understand where it got its sourceless claims from.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Instinct distorts causality? First I ever heard of this.

I'll be real, I felt that was fishy.

[Ideofago]

It's actually the other way around, what the world thinks doesn't matter because Shirou has his own world. Which is why Shirou can have a shed of random projected junk for months when projections should only last minutes.

But if what he creates in reality contradicts the image he has of it in his mind, then the projection breaks ( projections being a blatant metaphor for his ideals). But for some reason this didn't happen when he saw his projected jeweled sword and thought that it wasn't anything like the real thing.

That was most likely a bluff. Or Archer would project something like Gram and die after firing it.

Actual full replication of a Divine construct would be impossible due to him not able to comprehend it.

What Shirou/Archer think don't matter. It's what the World thinks that really matters.

Shirou did not understand the intricacies of Zelretch, but what he got was close enough such that the World did not crush it instantly.

All right, so the metaphor in writing here is that:

Shirou's power is to be able to make his own world, where his projections can last as long as he wishes, and are comparable to the real thing, especially with the whole fake/true ordeal. Then, we see Archer fighting against himself with this same world, being an incredibly on the nose metaphor for the autophagic nature of his own ideals. But, its influence on power levels essentially means, whatever he idealizes is something he can copy, not necessarily something he can understand. Now, I don't know if Caliburn itself was a Divine Construct, but that was feasible some way I don't remember the intricacies of. Not only that, Shirou needs a lot of Mana to actually make UBW. Case in point, were he able to idealize Excalibur to a level he could find replicable, even though he didn't understand it, as it is a Divine Construct, and he had enough mana (aka Will, the metaphor is right there), it seems to me it would indeed be possible. Unless there's something in a material book that does the whole copyright strike thing to Divine Constructs the same way it does to Ea.

[AAM1232]

All right, so the metaphor in writing here is that:

Shirou's power is to be able to make his own world, where his projections can last as long as he wishes, and are comparable to the real thing, especially with the whole fake/true ordeal. Then, we see Archer fighting against himself with this same world, being an incredibly on the nose metaphor for the autophagic nature of his own ideals. But, its influence on power levels essentially means, whatever he idealizes is something he can copy, not necessarily something he can understand. Now, I don't know if Caliburn itself was a Divine Construct, but that was feasible some way I don't remember the intricacies of. Not only that, Shirou needs a lot of Mana to actually make UBW. Case in point, were he able to idealize Excalibur to a level he could find replicable, even though he didn't understand it, as it is a Divine Construct, and he had enough mana (aka Will, the metaphor is right there), it seems to me it would indeed be possible. Unless there's something in a material book that does the whole copyright strike thing to Divine Constructs the same way it does to Ea.

Caliburn isn't a Divine Construct, Excalibur is. Shirou/Archer can project the former, not the latter. Shirou projecting Caliburn and using it with Artoria is what makes it strong enough to take out Heracles in the Fate route where they're both holding the sword and swinging.

You already got the quote explaining they can't project Divine Constructs earlier, this is pretty clearcut.

[aldeayeah]

Instinct distorts causality? First I ever heard of this.

Instinct is essentially combat future sight so, like all time-traveling abilities, it fucks around with causality.

[Araya's Dry Cleaner]

I'll be real, I felt that was fishy.

Then y'all need to go back to the OG Fate lore.

Q. I have a question about the Servants vs. other character answer in the 9th issue of Comptiq. About a Servant with an average Noble Phantasm, who would have one and what rank would that have been?

A: That's a serious question. The level of the Noble Phantasm would be B, and ability being represented by numbers would be called an average Noble Phantasm. Broken Phantasm, Barrier of the Wind King (C), Gae Bolg (thrown) (B), that sort.
On the other hand, those with conceptual effects, destiny interference types fall into a special category. With Gae Bolg (regular), no matter how much Arcueid might be superior to Lancer in numbers, she will be killed depending on her luck, you see.

Instinct: A
Instinct is the ability to instantly identify “the best personal course of action” during combat. Because this skill allows for the prediction of trajectory, it is possible to avoid attacks from firearms. At rank A, it is essentially in the realm of predicting the future. Through this ability, it is possible to negate the penalties inflicted by visual and auditory interference to a certain extend.
Being able to discern Cú Chulainn’s ultimate technique certainly reflects her skills, but having exceptional Instinct also helped her immensely.

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All right, so the metaphor in writing here is that:

Shirou's power is to be able to make his own world, where his projections can last as long as he wishes, and are comparable to the real thing, especially with the whole fake/true ordeal. Then, we see Archer fighting against himself with this same world, being an incredibly on the nose metaphor for the autophagic nature of his own ideals. But, its influence on power levels essentially means, whatever he idealizes is something he can copy, not necessarily something he can understand. Now, I don't know if Caliburn itself was a Divine Construct, but that was feasible some way I don't remember the intricacies of. Not only that, Shirou needs a lot of Mana to actually make UBW. Case in point, were he able to idealize Excalibur to a level he could find replicable, even though he didn't understand it, as it is a Divine Construct, and he had enough mana (aka Will, the metaphor is right there), it seems to me it would indeed be possible. Unless there's something in a material book that does the whole copyright strike thing to Divine Constructs the same way it does to Ea.

Bro, I literally found you the Nasu interview where the man himself said UBW cannot project Divine Construct.
I will post it again just for you.

Q: What is the limit of replication in UBW? The highest level of NP (sword types) is probably Ea, but while it might be impossible for Shirou, could Archer make it? Also, under the meaning of weapons, to what extent can he make modern weapons? Must it be only blade types or can he make guns and mobile weapons?

A: Divine constructs like Ea and Excalibur are non-replicable. There might be some degraded NPs with similar performance in stock though. Also, since sword is becoming his origin, the weapons that he has stored are fundamentally limited to close combat.

Also, your understanding of Shirou's projection is incorrect.
UBW facilitates Shirou to make a really precise projection.
How long the projection lasts depends entirely on how fast the World perceives the fake and decides to destroy it.

[Asunder]

Also, your understanding of Shirou's projection is incorrect.
UBW facilitates Shirou to make a really precise projection.
How long the projection lasts depends entirely on how fast the World perceives the fake and decides to destroy it.

What the world thinks doesn't matter because Shirou's projections come from his own world.


When Shirou's projections break, it isn't because of the world. It's because he stops believing in them (again, blatant metaphor for ideals).