Life force is referred to as "pure magical energy" in Extella materials.
And you can convert souls into spiritrons, which can then be converted into magical energy. These days anything can be converted into spiritrons and magical energy tbh, even concepts, as long as you have the tech/ability to do so, much more expanded compare to the older works. And I would roll with it rather than the old information.
anyone know where this is from?
Yamanaka Kotetsu's (Goetia's actual designer) doujin for Winter Comiket 2018.
thank you. now i shall scavenge to the end of the internet to find it.
I was wondering, do servants need to breath? And additionally, are servants able to drown?
I'm fairly certain that Servant's can't drown under normal circumstances. I think they mentioned in the F/GO Summer 2020 event that Servants do not usually drown, but because of the unusual makeup of that Singularity, they could.Originally Posted by Spammin Spiff
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Ah wait, I found a definitive statement about this from Atlantis:
イアソン ……ま、サーヴァントが溺れる訳ないんだし。
何とかなるだろ。
Jason: "Well, It's not like Servants can drown anyways. She'll be fine."
Fate/Protoype: Fragments of Sky Silver Dear My Hero Act 4: https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthrea...=1#post2190627
Servants were not proper beings, but they could carry out pulmonary respiration as a land type endoskeleton life form.Therefore they were magical beings who do not get energy from oxygen, and probably could endure more than a human, but since they can obtain a form similar to a life form that can inhale air, they can halt their prana cycle if they’re suffocating.Eventually they’d reach their limit because they were made into a substance.
So we can conclude that this life force is absorbed by the magic circuits, converted into magic energy and then used to do magic?
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follow the picture on typemoon wikia ( Fate/Complete Material III). They call both Od and Mana is " Life Force"( 生命力)
And Magic Circuits help to convert them to Magical Energy (魔力, Maryoku).
If follow this way, everything in FSN will easier to understand.
Thinks about Od and Mana as Crude oil. And Magical Energy as Gasoline.
So, when they having sex, they actually transfer "magical energy", not " mana", not "Od". Because Nasu keeps confusing when use the words" Mana, Od is is life force/Magical Energy...
It exists very many method to convert Mana, Od to ME. Medea converts mana from the air. Waver and Iris draw the huge magic circle on the ground, to consume Mana from the soil.
Autrum use machine to consume victims' Od and convert it to "magical energy".
---------------Fate/Complete Material III
Magic is activated when a magic formula is set into motion. For example, to light a fire with magic, one must contact a magic foundation engraved in the world and activate the magic formula for the phenomenon of “igniting a fire.”
To run a magic formula, one must first generate mystic energy. As previously mentioned, mystic energy is generated through the conversion of life force with magic circuits. Magic is classified into two major groups depending on whether the internal life force of the magus (Lesser Source = od) is converted into magic power, or whether the external life force of nature (Greater Source = mana) is taken in and converted into energy.
But. Still the question:
So, Kuzuki actually doesn't transfer any Od/soul/magical energy to Medea ( when they have sex with each other)? Why Nasu doesn't even care to explain it clearly in FSN novel???
Last edited by kohaku; December 25th, 2021 at 09:44 PM.
They wouldn't drown from jumping on an ocean of physical water with nothing magical about it, but if they were, say, hit by a Servant's attack whose effect is drowning people, they'd drown like normal.
Yeah... in many Type Moon anime adaptations (Kara no Kyoukai, Fate UBW) they use the term mana to refer to magical energy...so I suppose that mana, od and magical energy are interchangeable terms...
Last edited by Jesse1089; December 25th, 2021 at 04:10 PM.
Basically the flow is this:
Od (internal life force)/Mana (external life force) -> Magic Circuits -> Ether -> Foundation -> Spell Effect
Of course special people can bypass some of the steps.
There is a interesting thing about transfering circuits someone linked a week or two ago from teh sites creator, back from 2002 and man you can feel some of that lore changed
Of course question, how are foundations made, magecraft ones, as circuits interface with foundations so how does one make a foundation....
Last edited by Byegod; December 25th, 2021 at 04:32 PM.
Foundations is just fancy terminology for culture, tradition and religion.
Then why do they say flat makes his own for every spell
Individual foundations independent of land like oral tradition and family teachings can exist.
No idea about Flat, but he's weird and does impossible things so
Can we consider it as a translation error when using the term mana when referring to magic energy? or according to what we have been able to read from Nasu, can they be interchangeable concepts?...I've wondered this for a long time....
I remember that in the UBW anime there are many times that the word mana is used to refer to magic energy...
Last edited by Jesse1089; December 25th, 2021 at 04:47 PM.
It's not really translation error.
Nasu uses ruby texts very liberally. There are times in the visual novel when the text is "magical energy", but the ruby text is "mana". The translator just used "mana" because that was the author's intent. However, you never saw the kanji, so you have no idea of the context.
Ideas get lost in translation all the time. That's why some times you read the stuff I translated and it sounds retarded, because I try to lay out all the context and word play.
It depends on context
If the red line line was translated to "the power that fills me is pure mana" it would be fine."But then, the jewels have limited capacities and I cannot control magical energy outside me.
The magical energy inside the jewels is just an ignition to instantly activate a large-scale magic."
"…? Um, so you're putting your magical energy into the jewels as a backup?"
If the blue line was translated to "a different form of mana" it could be fine.
If the green line was translated to "you're putting your mana into the jewels" it would not be fine.
Magical energy is a neutral word. Mana implies the magical energy is from the environment.
There are many times when the text does not tell you where the magical energy is coming from, translating it as mana is taking a position on the text.
At those times, whether it is a provable mistake is arguable because it very well COULD be that the character is using external magical energy; however, I believe most would consider it bad form, since magical energy, the neutral version of the term exists for that reason.
Last edited by You; December 25th, 2021 at 04:58 PM.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I think we have come to the conclusion a long time ago that you cannot interrogate the translations for concrete answers.
If you want concrete answers, you have to translate the prose literally, which does not result in a pleasant reading experience. Japanese is a much denser language than English.
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