Why would reading Case Files have changed my opinion on the content of the audio of the Cosmos PV? I knew antrum was the word from LB5, or else I couldn't have asked the question.
Why would reading Case Files have changed my opinion on the content of the audio of the Cosmos PV? I knew antrum was the word from LB5, or else I couldn't have asked the question.
Hyperzero my glorious king, still going on about first magician araya and how OP!!!!! Ryougi Shiki is by using fanfic and the secret Fourth Magic: Denial of CanonOriginally Posted by Shift+CTRL+ALT+Delete
If you are God, and the delusion becomes reality, What kind of delusions do you get?
Is it the sensual world? The despotic society? The destructive sanctions?
Or...
Are all NP considered Mystic codes? Is it only called NPs when belonging to a servant?
On another subject, what counts as magecraft? When Arc use her abilities or Ciel's immortality or a martial's artists fist shattering stone etc.? Are all these considered magecraft?
Pretty much yeah. I believe there's a section in Apocrypha Vol 1 that has a bit more detail on it but basically the vast majority of NPs were considered to be Mystic Codes and only became NP when their users became Heroic Spirits
Magecraft is more or less defined as the artificial reenactment of Mystics so basically anything that comes as a result of purely natural processes isn't Magecraft. So Arc isn't using Magecraft because all of her abilities are due to her being Archetype:Earth. Ciel's immortality also doesn't count since it's basically the World bugging out due to Roa's nonsense. All of the Wuxia martial arts stuff definitely counts, if only because we know that that was what the Tohsaka's Magecraft was before they Zel
This has probably been asked before but like, the "Holy Church" refers specifically to the Roman Catholic Church yeah? Because as it is November, I am once again thinking about the historical Catholicism versus Anglicanism struggle and what - if anything the Holy Church might have done about religious schisms and breakaway sects popping up.
TBH this is why I would have preferred if had Case Files been set in the Holy Church, because as much as I enjoy Waver and his miscreant students, I cannot bring myself to care about the inner workings of the Mage Association and Mages in general in contrast to my fascination with much cooler characters like Ciel and Kotomine.
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No you see, the moment Sanda would write about the Holy Church you would stop caring about it, as he would fill it with non characters that exist to give material entries dialogue and try to fool you into thinking he is writing a story.
It's like a form of Schrodinger's Cat. You wonder what it can be in the box, but when it opens, it's always a fresh hot turd. That is Sanda's magic, and just like the original thought experiment that Schordinger came up with, it's a complete joke.
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Here's a quote that pretty much lays it out. I forgot to save the source though so I can't tell you where it's from, I don't remember lol
If You comes by he can clarify, since I took it from him.
Even though it was called the Holy Church, in reality, it was not monolithic. The Church was a secret division of a major religious organization, but one of its origins lay as an "Universal Ecumenical Council" where each and every sect assembled. For that reason, the Holy Church's scope of authority was irrespective of Catholicism, Protestanism, and other sects. It therefore possessed the world's largest Magical Foundation.
However, this history was not widely disseminated even within the Holy Church. In truth, the Church resembled the Catholics, and it has been rumored that Catholic Cardinals managed the Holy Church. As a result, there are extremists who seek to exclude non-Catholics, making it a precipitious organization on the brink of internal conflict.
The fact the answer is "lol it's every organised group that identifies as a religion" fascinates me.
Danke Tree of the Pine variety.
I wasn't even thinking of Sanda specifically when I wrote that as I think Fate/Zero was the only time I really cared about the Mage Association and even then it was only really there to facilitate the backstory and subsequent conflict between Waver and Kayneth. Even within the original F/SN I never felt the M.A was anything more than a set dressing since so few of the Masters in that story are "standard" mages for lack of a better term.
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I feel like the reason it continues to not be interesting is because Case Files helped make it even less interesting, and it would've done the same with the Church
From OG-Hime
So yes, originally the Holy Church referred exclusively to an organization within the Catholic Church. That said, this reference is gone in the remake, even though most of the rest of the line remains. The information Pinetree posted comes from Case Files IIRC, and that's the latest we heard about it. One of my least favorite retcons, personally.「そう。もうずっと昔、人間は様々な魔術、神秘学、式典儀礼をもとに組織体系を作り、人間以外の霊長類を排 除しはじめたの。
その最たる物が基督教───法王庁が誇るエクシシストの集団よ。旧教（カトリック）は昔っから『人間でないモノ』を徹底的に淘汰してきたけど、その中でも吸血鬼に対する敵視はどうかしてる わ」
It's just Christianity in general, but yeah it's kind of disappointing and pretty wacky that the Holy Church is not exclusively Catholic anymore. Case Files does ruin everything it touches huh.
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Personally I would've liked to see the Anglican schism in relation to the conflict between the Holy Church and the Clock Tower, etc.
That is a really weird change. Especially when so much of its aesthetic is still Catholic.
I wonder how the European Wars of Religion went on behind the scenes now. I may have found an angle for a Servant I'm planning, actually.
It's just Nasu excusing himself from the need to study anything from centuries of Christian infighting that doesn't matter for his vampire story. Nothing surprising there.
Considering the century of Christian infighting is directly referenced in TsukiRE, I'm not so sure.
I'd already realised that thanks to part-time nuns and Catholic priests being married with children.
The question of how that would even work still fascinates me.
Haha, yeah, that would never happen.
I think the specific Case Files passage is ambiguous enough that one can probably still conclude that the current Holy Church is a de-facto a Catholic institution. It seems more to imply that when it was first conceived, it was meant to be something that unifies all Christendom, which was the objective of the first Ecumenical Councils. Over time as the various schisms occurred, and the Catholic Church emerged as the dominant authority, they gradually consolidated the operation of the Holy Church for themselves.
However, this history was not widely disseminated even within the Holy Church. In truth, the Church resembled the Catholics, and it has been rumored that Catholic Cardinals managed the Holy Church. As a result, there are extremists who seek to exclude non-Catholics, making it a precipitious organization on the brink of internal conflict.
It's not usually treated as a matter of fact by the 20th Century Catholic Church.
Unless Executors really have special priviledges.
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