I once met a fifth grader who was one and a half heads taller than me. And I was 180cm ninth grader back then.Originally Posted by Clementee
I once met a fifth grader who was one and a half heads taller than me. And I was 180cm ninth grader back then.
From what i know you need an application of third magic or something along the lines to use actual spiritrons aka building blocks of soul..so anything humans make safely put uses pseudo spiritron such as rayshift
Zepia can do it without magic, so no.
I was talking about actually making stuffs. Zepia made a thing that utilises spiritrons?
Spiritrons acceleration machine running in parallel with (redacted) {a perpetual motion Machine} was back in tsuki no sango ..I am talking about those.
Nah he means Zepia's whole deal is basically rayshifting.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
Wait, really? To me, that seems pretty short for a 14 year old boy. Me and almost all of my friends were at least 5+ cm taller than that at that age.
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That suddenly makes the whole thing make a lot more sense to me (granted, I haven't read Ordeal Call III yet, so I've just heard little snippets of what's going on there; still this is a pretty helpful comparison).
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You are not immune to propoganda, probably.
Rayshift utilises pseudo spiritrons tho..that was the point I was making as well
Playing around with spiritrons isn't that special. Chaldea converts buildings and such into spiritrons in order to obtain resources in the bleached earth, and I don't think their stuff is considered Magic at all. Same for the machines in Tsuki no Sango.
For that matter there hasn't been an explanation on the differences between pseudo and normal spiritrons. The only meaningful difference as far as we can see is that the former can be freely manipulated (i.e uploading yourself to the SERAPH necessitates the user to turn into pseudo-spiritrons). It doesn't mean they are somehow lesser in quality per see.
The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.
Tsukihime 2 Prelude III
D'you think it may be something the effect of the difference between prana and True Ether?
Petri's arbitrary limit
Question: Where Caesar being fat comes from? I know is not a Fate thing because I have seen it in other media but I don't know if it have some historic validity.
Caesar was knowing for having ostentatious celebrations after military victories, and I think there's some obscure myth about him eating 6000 eels? The meta reason is probably they didn't want him to look too badass in front of Nero since this was Septem.
Let’s all blame Shakespeare.
"Here's a bangin lil' tune about takin' on The Man!"
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Pseudo spiritrons or virtual spiritrons are made as a result of 3rd magic non existence.
We know what 3rd magic can do and we know what pseudo spiritrons can do.
3rd magic is essentially can give you immortality and use your soul as a resource to run for infinity.
Whereas pseudo spiritron are as you can see in fate extra worlds.
https://www.tmdict.com/en/ki.pseudo-spiritron
Oh yeah I forgot to mention chaldea uses saint quartz that is pseudo spiritrons crystal which i believe why convertibles do
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In GO pseudo-spiritron and spiritron are practically interchangeable. If you replace the word spiritron or pseudo-spiritron with "soul" when the terms are used in a compound word like Spiritron Composition or Pseudo-Spiritron Conversion you'll understand the concept the authors are trying to communicate. Right now, there's no practical reason for a reader to attempt to differentiate the two. With that disclaimer out of the way, the actual difference between a spiritron and a pseudo-spiritron? This is my current working theory:
We know that a spiritron is a singular unit of soul. The soul is a higher information body, therefore a spiritron is a unit of information.
Recently, we've been given more clarity on the exact structure of a soul.
This information isn't data but rather the "true essence of something" i.e. the platonic ideal. The soul itself is a waveform that's a link.
404光年
術式
ムーンセル第七階層とムーンセル中枢の間に作られた境界線。光である疑似霊子の速さで突破しても404年か かりますよ、という警告と、「そのアドレスは存在しません」という忠告が混ざったもの。
実際には何百年かけようと突破できない無限距離。
404 Light Years
codecast
This is the borderline that lies between the seventh layer and Moon Cell‘s core. Pseudo-Spiritrons are made of light, and it’s warned that at the speed of light it would take 404 years to get past this border and to the computer addresses which lie beyond. This essentially communicates “that address doesn’t exist” to anyone/anything attempting to pass.
It’s actually an infinite distance that cannot be covered even if you try for centuries.So if a soul is a waveform that is a link to a higher dimension, what the Extra magi did was take that link and (like an extension cable) plug it into to a computer instead.疑似霊子
事柄
ぎじりょうし。
かつて、地上には魂の物質化をはかる奇蹟があったという。しかしそれは1970年代の大崩壊で失われた。以 後、自らの終わりを受け入れた魔術師たちは禁忌としていた近代科学を取り入れ、その終わりに、“魂”を新し く定義した。
それが魔術理論・疑似霊子と呼ばれる、“意識の出力先”である。
かつて、意識は肉体を通してしか発露できなかった。
しかし魔術師たちは“魂”の位置を測定し、その出力先を新しい天地───電脳空間の分身[アパター]として写し出す事に成功したのだ。
Pseudo-Spiritron
concept
Giji Ryoushi.
In the past there was a miracle that allowed the materialization of the soul. But this technique was lost in the Great Collapse of the 1970s. After that, magi, who were faced with the end of magecraft turned to modern technology and used it to redefine how humans thought of “the soul.”
That was called the “Magic Theory of Pseudo-Spiritrons” which described the “output of one’s consciousness.”
Before, consciousness was thought to only manifest through a physical body. But magi managed to measure the position of “the soul” and redirect its output into a new world; the cyber world. They succeeded in allowing one to create a digital copy of themselves (a bunshin).
You'll notice that spiritron is a unit of a waveform and what else is a waveform? Light, sound.
Of the "waves [from the soul] that can be perceived" light would be one. In the Nasuverse, light is second only to the soul as an information storage medium; the closest wavefunction that can approximate a soul which also happens to be what pseudo-spiritrons are.
In MBAA, the pseudo-spiritron theory has the ruby text "Moon Cell." This is a reference to Extra but I also think it helps explain the difference between spiritrons and pseudo-spiritrons. Cell is often used in nasubabble and can mean singular unit. The Moon part refers to how the moon reflects the light of the sun, in the same way pseudo-spiritrons (light wave) are a reflection of spiritrons (singular unit of a higher dimensional waveform). Therefore pseudo-spiritron = moon cell.Stage9 対オシリスの砂
「疑似霊子理論(ムーンセル)による演算器……
私たちとはまったく違った、科学と魔術の融合ですか。
シオン・エルトナム・アトラシアの処分は保留ですね。
彼女にはまだ、未知数の価値があるようです。」
At this point you must be thinking, doesn't that mean spiritron > pseudo-spiritron because a spiritron is a unit of something that exists on a higher dimension whereas light is present in this universe.
There's a concept in physics called Raleigh scattering which is a type of elastic scattering. When light polarizes small molecules like air, the molecules radiate out the light at the same frequency but potentially in a different direction, causing the scattering of light. With the gas composition of our atmosphere blue light is scattered more than red light, therefore blue skies when then sun is up and red sunsets. (Also the cause of blood moons i.e. a crimson moon). I don't think pseudo-spiritrons are elastically scattered spiritrons, but its useful comparison. Although pseudo-spiritrons are light waveforms, its very possible they carry the same frequency as spiritrons and therefore similar if not the same encoded "meaning."
Finally if pseudo-spiritrons are units of soul meaning encoded in light, then why are they not the Third Magic, the materialization of a soul in our dimension and the ability for that soul to interact? That is mostly semantics, like how there is The Third Magecraft in Extra after the soul was redefined. Pseudo-spiritrons are an output destination of consciousness, they are a product of soul that carries information (meaning). However, if you are capable of measuring the position of the soul and therefore define the soul based on its linked output destination rather than its link to a higher dimension, then Pseudo-spiritrons rather than spiritrons become the fundamental unit. Like that you're capable of materializing the soul.
In a world where the soul is still defined by its linkage to a higher dimension, the pseudo-spiritron theory does not wholly infringe on True Magic because it does not touch the soul, only the output of soul/consciousness.
I would say the most interesting question is why can a soul’s waves be perceived.
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Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynig...exist_in_fate/
Does anyone knows the original Japanese text and context Johanna is saying here? A redditor ask this.
Holy shit 200cm as fifth grader?...
this is typemoon, devils are just the 6th imaginary element doing some twisted wish fulfillment via twisted human psyche`s
A conceptual being rather than a real one. It can simply mean that.
Well gods themselves are conceptual so no real difference.
But i guess it's simply differentiating between one that exists in reality (Greek mechas) and one that doesn't.
Not much of a difference in practice because gods of Mesopotamia are conceptual as well..
Just my two cents
That said, this translation does feel like it was made by someone unaware there's more than one devil in the setting.
Tezcatlipoca's profile implies that Lucifer is real, doesn't it?
Nasu doesn't touch Lucifer, bald yellow god and angels because he knows he will have to outkino SMT in that regard or struggle with not copying them
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