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[Ideofago]

Patronizing and wholesome is the worst type of onee san. The appeal of the older sister is of a woman slightly more mature, but still in the same age range- old enough to know more about the world, but young enough to still fit in with you.
I would go as far to say that the appeal of an older sister can be found in any woman that is a single measure above your equal, be it in style, maturity, grace, kindness, or any quality we find to be most wonderful in people.

And attempting murder is peak sibling behavior.

[Rafflesiac]

The challenge for all you who know the old lore

Is Sumire:

1. A slimegirl
2. A mermaid
3. Some kind of mollusc
4. Another kind of monstergirl I can't be bothered to look up
5. A selkie (I bothered)
6. Soggy Drunk Vampire Touko
7. A blonde girl who looks like saber and is depicted smiling with one foot stepping forward from a 3/4 angle, oh how original takeuchi

Your time starts now. This will be on the test

a scylla

[UnlimitedBladeWorks]

The challenge for all you who know the old lore

Is Sumire:

1. A slimegirl
2. A mermaid
3. Some kind of mollusc
4. Another kind of monstergirl I can't be bothered to look up
5. A selkie (I bothered)
6. Soggy Drunk Vampire Touko
7. A blonde girl who looks like saber and is depicted smiling with one foot stepping forward from a 3/4 angle, oh how original takeuchi

Your time starts now. This will be on the test

6

[Takashi]

Mine tried to murder me several times, including breaking my wrist by dropping me off a bunk, and throwing a whole cat at my back, leaving me with pretty deep claw scars. But generally onee-sans (the archetype Sumire's description refers to, which is more a Taiga sort of chracter) would be seen as patronizing and wholesome.

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Now that I think about it, Taiga rides a motorcycle and carries a wooden sword, and belongs to a yakuza family, embodying the banchou onee-san archetype to a T, except that she is in the wrong genre.

Older siblings either try to murder you or try to keep you in closet where no one can harm you.
Source: am an older sibling.

[Daemon]

It's obviously 6

[Odin]

DAA Sumire of water bottle

While searching on Internet I found I think only art of her but hey considering we don't have any canonical images shrugs

[L.H.S]

Older siblings either try to murder you or try to keep you in closet where no one can harm you.
Source: am an older sibling.

Why not both?

[Dark Squirrel]

The challenge for all you who know the old lore

Is Sumire:

1. A slimegirl
2. A mermaid
3. Some kind of mollusc
4. Another kind of monstergirl I can't be bothered to look up
5. A selkie (I bothered)
6. Soggy Drunk Vampire Touko
7. A blonde girl who looks like saber and is depicted smiling with one foot stepping forward from a 3/4 angle, oh how original takeuchi

Your time starts now. This will be on the test

4 and 6 combined.

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a scylla

By which I mean this.

[Pjf238]

Sorry for a potentially dumb question but I was looking over Black Barrel and Barrel Replica lore last night and wanted to clarify something.

Black Barrel Lore recap for anyone who needs it

OK so Black Barrel is an Atlas Super Weapon that looks like a Rifle and has some goofy sniper additions too. It’s gimmick is that it imposes a concept of “Natural Lifespan” on things meaning things that can’t die now can die, and that it essentially destroys Grain (AKA Ether which later got retconned into being True Ether) dealing damage appropriate to the amount of Grain something has. Anything that has Grain can’t even pick it up but Gun God cause use it cause he was the one thing without Grain in Notes. If the enemy doesn’t have any Grain then it seems to just work like a normal rifle. That’s basically it for OG Black Barrel besides Ciel getting it in OG Tsuki to seal Arcueid and never using it.

Melty introduces the Barrel Replica, a Replica of the Gun that’s a pistol instead of a rifle and used by Sion. It’s still a Conceptual Weapon with the life span thing from before, but instead of being mentioned to destroy things based on Grain/Ether, Melty’s description says that it deals damage proportional to the amount of life span something has, so essentially deals damage based on how long they have to live. It’s also mentioned that Sion’s not using it for that in gameplay, in gameplay she just uses it like a normal gun and also for her supers she shoots energy beams, probably Magical Energy infused shots hence the Super meter and everything. So it seems the thing can be used as a more generic weapon in combat when not being used for the life span thing.

Later in FGO, Barrel Replica comes back as something Sion has on hand, and it’s integrated into Mash’s shield, and combined with Poseidon’s Divine Core and a part of Artemis to make the big fuck you canon that can kill Gods (implying I guess Barrel Replica couldn’t before). It still deals damage based on life span (now given an actual unit measurement called Life Scale which Tsukihime Remakes likes to also use on occasion as a short hand for power levels) but requires Guda’s command spell and some life energy to use (probably due to the upgrades). There’s some vague sketchy stuff with Guda’s soul and Black Barrel but we haven’t gotten a full explanation yet.

So is the difference between Black Barrel and Barrel Replica that BB deals damage based on Grain/True Ether and Barrel Replica deals damage based on Lifescale/Lifespan?

Edit: The reason I ask btw is because I I’m not sure if the two are actually supposed to do different things or if Lifescale and Grain are just related.

Where’s the part about imposing the concept of “Natural Lifespan” come from? Maybe I’m misremembering Notes, which is entirely possible, but I remember V/V claiming they didn’t have a concept of death but Godo didn’t outright agree with her, with him saying something more like death applying differently to them rather. And then the section about the BB never said anything about it imposing concepts, just the part about killing power being porportional to Grain so it could be considered a God killing weapon because of the amount they had

[Paulie25]

I think it’s just an assumption since Black Barrel’s title is that it’s “A Conceptual Weapon of Natural Lifespan”

[Odin]

Do dead apostles have perpect memory or can they get dementia or even forget things

[VitamineC]

Do dead apostles have perpect memory or can they get dementia or even forget things

There is no indication that a "regular" dead apostle would automatically get a photographic memory of some shorts, but forgetting things sounds rather likely if they live for a long time.

[Dark Squirrel]

We know Roa forgot a lot of things, but his are special circumstances all considered.

[Paulie25]

There is no indication that a "regular" dead apostle would automatically get a photographic memory of some shorts, but forgetting things sounds rather likely if they live for a long time.

Didn’t Vam Fem get mentioned to forget some shit in Adventures?

[Pjf238]

I think it’s just an assumption since Black Barrel’s title is that it’s “A Conceptual Weapon of Natural Lifespan”

Where does that title come from though? I just checked and it’s definitely not in the translation of Notes I read

[Petrikow]

Where does that title come from though? I just checked and it’s definitely not in the translation of Notes I read

Same place as most things relating to notes: Character Material (2006)



And if you want my opinion on the topic, I'm not entirely sure. I think it is odd that the real Black Barrel has such a heavy component of being anti-Grain, while the replica doesn't whatsoever. Not only that but, the CM explanation has a mistake (or retcon, depending on how you see it) in regards to True/Fake Ether, so it's really hard to come to a solid conclusion.

[VitamineC]

Didn’t Vam Fem get mentioned to forget some shit in Adventures?

Bold of you to assume I got that far in the elmo novels

[Pjf238]

Same place as most things relating to notes: Character Material (2006)



And if you want my opinion on the topic, I'm not entirely sure. I think it is odd that the real Black Barrel has such a heavy component of being anti-Grain, while the replica doesn't whatsoever. Not only that but, the CM explanation has a mistake (or retcon, depending on how you see it) in regards to True/Fake Ether, so it's really hard to come to a solid conclusion.

Ah ok

Frankly, if there’s a change in regards to True Ether alongside the fact that it was given that title that wasn’t really there in Notes originally, I assume both are intended to be retcons, which I guess I can’t really blame Nasu for doing, he had greatly expanded his lore between him writing Notes and CM coming out so it makes sense to update BB to make it fit better with the rest of it

[Dartz]

Later in FGO, Barrel Replica comes back as something Sion has on hand, and it’s integrated into Mash’s shield, and combined with Poseidon’s Divine Core and a part of Artemis to make the big fuck you canon that can kill Gods (implying I guess Barrel Replica couldn’t before).

The statement was that it was previously too big and unwieldy to carry, but by restricting the measurement function to machine gods only it became portable. This says nothing about it being unable to kill Gods before. It's also interesting given the MB version is as compact and easy to carry as a handgun. Pretty different from the one in FGO, so they can't really be compared.

[Shift+CTRL+ALT+Delete]

Mine tried to murder me several times, including breaking my wrist by dropping me off a bunk, and throwing a whole cat at my back, leaving me with pretty deep claw scars.

Wait, really? Damn, that sucks. At least you're ok now, right?