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    I honestly have actually never been entirely certain if luck actually did anything besides screw up gae bolg and other similar phantasms or it worked more like DND luck.

    Hmmm....well, musing out loud, given how all the other stats have turned out to be more basic and literal then we had thought, I am inclined to think the latter maybe.


    Edit: FWIW saber's luck makes her an epic card shark, according to HA, so that lends credence to the idea.
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    You guys are putting way too much stock into this "stat check saving throw" thing, I think. Like, everybody acts like Gae Bolg looks at the LCK rank, and if it's high enough the curse just fizzles or something. But it's more like, all LCK is ever going to do is give you a "possibility". You could have A+ LCK, but Gae Bolg is still going to pierce your heart if you stand there like a dumbass, see? And all the magic power in the world won't save you from Zabaniya if you don't use it to break down the mirror heart True Assassin is trying to resonate with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terraablaze View Post
    I'm fairly positive that's not how destiny interference works. If it's going agaisnt CON that's called a normal weapon, and going agaisnt MGI is essentially a really powerful curse. The reason you need LUCK isn't because it actually checks itself against luck, more like since Gae Bolg is fated to hit your heart when it's used, the only thing relevant at the time is your ability to "oppose fate" (which is what the LUCK stat is). Plus Nasu mentions only sniping as sealed, so I guess he has no way of using Noble Phantasms close up?
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    I think you are confusing Nasu's RPG talk with what is really happening. Save vs CON or die is simply dealing so much damage, you better have this much health or you die. Whether the weapon always hits on top of that is probably a separate "roll". Gae Bolg is save or die because it always hits short of a miracle and it does "all your health and plus some" because it hits your heart and then shoots barbs throughout your entire body. If there is another weapon out there like that, Gae Bolg would not be all that special.
    Hey I said as much.

    Edit: I guess I could have posted a quote where I said Saber didn't like her odds a second time around or something of that nature as well.
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    Right, but the possibility has to be there. Like if you are say, lancer (4th, 5th either work) and can dodge anything, but attacked by something you have a low stat, it doesn't matter what you do, so having the correct stat is as important if not more ao then something as idiotically obvious like "try to get out of the way and/or block"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Hmmm....well, musing out loud, given how all the other stats have turned out to be more basic and literal then we had thought, I am inclined to think the latter maybe.
    Deja vu...

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    So wait, was this all speculation on a hypothetical battle to explain a different hypothetical from earlier? Sorry, I haven't been on this bored for ages so I'm slow.

    Anyhow, can I butt in here and ask a question that came to mind while reading this? Is it ever explained why True Assassin was born as a creepy man-cricket (no intelligence) and had to eat a few fellas to get his head on straight? I'm pretty sure 4th war Assassin didn't eat anyone. There's no way Urobuchi Gen wouldn't write that scene.

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    Probably because he was summoned later with the body of a false Servant, if I had to guess.
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    Araya, what is your favorite color?
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    Come to think of it, he was summoned by a stinking pile of bugs wasn't he? That could lead to complications as well.

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    That's not fair, what if zouken has a very high standard of personal hygiene, I bet he has a vibrant, masculine musk!
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    Okay, I have a question.

    I'm looking for the summon servant spell, and every one i found (Type-wiki, Fate/zero episode 1, random google search) Give me different results.

    Any of you know which one is accurate? if so, could you post either it or a link?

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    What exactly were the effects of the tainted contents of the Holy Grail? It apparently corrupts a Servant's ego (though the only example is Gilgamesh who is completely unscathed), Kiritsugu was cursed and lost his circuits, limbs and sight before dying, Kotomine was resurrected and uses it as a replacement heart, Sakura loses to her dark side and becomes the master of Avenger, and Shirou is completely unaffected (he felt the curse but threw it off like Gilgamesh)... so what does it do?

    Speaking of which, what did Zouken implant in Sakura? The Grail was Irisviel, right? Did he take a bit of her circuits or did he take the tainted contents, or what?

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    Okay, I have a question.

    I'm looking for the summon servant spell, and every one i found (Type-wiki, Fate/zero episode 1, random google search) Give me different results.

    Any of you know which one is accurate? if so, could you post either it or a link?
    There will be different variations. Aria is chanted to one's inner reality and can differ from each other as long as it conveys a special meaning and includes specific keywords. For example, Rin's chant mentions Zelretch, the patron of the Tohsaka family. This is obviously her personal touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NamesAreHardToComeUpWith View Post
    Okay, I have a question.

    I'm looking for the summon servant spell, and every one i found (Type-wiki, Fate/zero episode 1, random google search) Give me different results.

    Any of you know which one is accurate? if so, could you post either it or a link?
    Guess that depends on whether there are actually different versions of the spell, or if you're just finding differently worded translations of the same thing (in which case just choose one, who cares)
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    The words in an aria need to have great meaning to the magus. It is a form of self-hypnosis that allows magi to effectively manipulate their magic circuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    That's not fair, what if zouken has a very high standard of personal hygiene, I bet he has a vibrant, masculine musk!
    Oh god, I'm almost choking just imagining it.

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    According to Zero, they all use the same general one. Or at least, most parts from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    According to Zero, they all use the same general one. Or at least, most parts from it.
    Yes, that's true. Because most of the lines are significant and they don't need to change it. I was explaining why minor changes would exist. I'm pretty sure only Rin mentioned "The ancestor is my great master Schweinorg."

    And please don't skip my question at the top of this page, please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junky View Post
    The words in an aria need to have great meaning to the magus. It is a form of self-hypnosis that allows magi to effectively manipulate their magic circuits.
    That's for their own personal spells- the ones they made up and know inside out.

    A completely new untested spell designed for a specific purpose probably needs the actual chant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Or at least, most parts from it.
    I'm sure most magi outside of House Tohsaka aren't going to be mentioning their great ancestor Schweinorg, for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    That's for their own personal spells- the ones they made up and know inside out.

    A completely new untested spell designed for a specific purpose probably needs the actual chant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Junky View Post
    There will be different variations. Aria is chanted to one's inner reality and can differ from each other as long as it conveys a special meaning and includes specific keywords. For example, Rin's chant mentions Zelretch, the patron of the Tohsaka family. This is obviously her personal touch.
    Not disagreeing with you at all. But changes can be accommodated.

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    There's a whole explanation for what Angra Mainyu is in Hollow Atarxia if you think that will help.
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    Araya, what is your favorite color?
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