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[Deathhappens]

Sorry, I remembered things entirely wrong. I mixed up Reiki with the other stuff: Bleach has Reishi (spirit particles, as opposed to the Kishi living things are made of), Reiryoku (spiritual power, power level) and Reiatsu (spiritual pressure, e.g. showing your power levels). There's also Reikaku (spiritual sense, the ability to sense spiritual pressure) and various other smaller terms because when your story is about ghosts you get a lot of use out of the kanji for "spirit".

Yeah, I remember all of those.

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Sorry, I remembered things entirely wrong. I mixed up Reiki with the other stuff: Bleach has Reishi (spirit particles, as opposed to the Kishi living things are made of), Reiryoku (spiritual power, power level) and Reiatsu (spiritual pressure, e.g. showing your power levels). There's also Reikaku (spiritual sense, the ability to sense spiritual pressure) and various other smaller terms because when your story is about ghosts you get a lot of use out of the kanji for "spirit".

Can Brahmastra Kundala shatter Luminosité Eternelle? And if yes can anyone here provide a citation? I've seen some people saying it can but cites are rare and I don't feel like re-reading Apo just to look for this one detail.

It doesn't have any particular barrier-breaking properties and Luminositè Eternèlle withstood Spartacus' fully charged attack, I don't see how that could happen unless I'm missing something from later mats.

[AAM1232]

I guess it's the assumption due to Karna attacking Jeanne in Apo where she'd have died(?) if not for Siegfried.

[madarra]

I assume it's cuz A rank "in the name of God" barrier NP Vs EX rank God killing NP
So you either God makes barriers stronger than himself, or assume anything french peasent adds to the equation cant be overcome by Indian demi-god

Also I'm pretty sure ranks are supposed to represent this thing and C rank shield nps are gonna fail to block A rank attack nps cuz higher better than lower. Then again VS is a strawberry rank NP so you can counter argue it being higher rank.

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Also based on Apo animation, even if Jeanne can block the attack, can she survive in the middle of the magma field once etternelle runs out?

[AAM1232]

I assume it's cuz A rank "in the name of God" barrier NP Vs EX rank God killing NP
So you either God makes barriers stronger than himself, or assume anything french peasent adds to the equation cant be overcome by Indian demi-god

Also I'm pretty sure ranks are supposed to represent this thing and C rank shield nps are gonna fail to block A rank attack nps cuz higher better than lower. Then again VS is a strawberry rank NP so you can counter argue it being higher rank.

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Also based on Apo animation, even if Jeanne can block the attack, can she survive in the middle of the magma field once etternelle runs out?

Uh Kundala isn't EX Rank. VS is and Karna was going to use Brahmastra vs Jeanne not VS.

Don't know what "strawberry rank" is?

[Zork Knight]

Also based on Apo animation, even if Jeanne can block the attack, can she survive in the middle of the magma field once etternelle runs out?

I suppose fire is Jeanne's natural weakness, but considering how many Saints survived worse...

[forumghost]

I suppose fire is Jeanne's natural weakness, but considering how many Saints survived worse...

I didn't know that anyone, Saint or otherwise, had survived being burnt at the stake...

[fire_mountain_30]

It doesn't have any particular barrier-breaking properties and Luminositè Eternèlle withstood Spartacus' fully charged attack, I don't see how that could happen unless I'm missing something from later mats.

a weakened version could endure amakusa's anti-fortress meteors

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Also I'm pretty sure ranks are supposed to represent this thing and C rank shield nps are gonna fail to block A rank attack nps

i think all of the shield NPs we know have blocked higher ranked offensive NPs

[eddyak]

I assume it's cuz A rank "in the name of God" barrier NP Vs EX rank God killing NP
So you either God makes barriers stronger than himself, or assume anything french peasent adds to the equation cant be overcome by Indian demi-god

Also I'm pretty sure ranks are supposed to represent this thing and C rank shield nps are gonna fail to block A rank attack nps cuz higher better than lower. Then again VS is a strawberry rank NP so you can counter argue it being higher rank.

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Also based on Apo animation, even if Jeanne can block the attack, can she survive in the middle of the magma field once etternelle runs out?

To be fair, it isn't an NP with any specific god-killing properties, it's just powerful enough to do it.

[SpoonyViking]

I guess it's the assumption due to Karna attacking Jeanne in Apo where she'd have died(?) if not for Siegfried.

That was because he was so fast she couldn't react in time.

[AAM1232]

That was because he was so fast she couldn't react in time.

Never said it could pierce LE though, just why people might think so.

[CO9p5JMGv!p9]

To be fair, it isn't an NP with any specific god-killing properties, it's just powerful enough to do it.

wasn't that disproven recently? that it's specifically anti-god or whatever, not just strong enough

[Comun]

It always has been both specifically anti-god and strong enough.

[RoydGolden]

It always has been both specifically anti-god and strong enough.

I thought it couldn't be Anti-God because it was designed to kill Sefar and concepts can't do that, only brute strength?

[Reign]

LE has a damage limit represented by the flag tearing. As much as I want to wank Jeanne here, if any single attack could break through it, something from Karna would probably be able to.

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I thought it couldn't be Anti-God because it was designed to kill Sefar and concepts can't do that, only brute strength?

Excalibur was made to kill Sefar, not Vasavi Shakti. Unless there was something in Karna's Extella sidestory I forgot?

[Deathhappens]

I assume it's cuz A rank "in the name of God" barrier NP Vs EX rank God killing NP
So you either God makes barriers stronger than himself, or assume anything french peasent adds to the equation cant be overcome by Indian demi-god

Also I'm pretty sure ranks are supposed to represent this thing and C rank shield nps are gonna fail to block A rank attack nps cuz higher better than lower. Then again VS is a strawberry rank NP so you can counter argue it being higher rank.

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Also based on Apo animation, even if Jeanne can block the attack, can she survive in the middle of the magma field once etternelle runs out?

That's a load of horseshite, take no offense. Brahmastra/ Brahmastra Kundala aren't EX ranked, and NP ranks never directly match up like that unless it's something explicitly stated (like God Hand). As for surviving the aftermath, that doesn't even bear mention. Karna is not going to create actual magma with his NP and a Servant isn't gonna be bothered by a little residual heat.

[RoydGolden]

Excalibur was made to kill Sefar, not Vasavi Shakti. Unless there was something in Karna's Extella sidestory I forgot?

Misremembered the "designed" part but this was the quote I was thinking of from this forum.

You know I remember when Vol 5 of Apo came out and ppl were butthurt that VS was explicitly a big lightning beam rather than something with an Anti-God concept.
But you know the fact that it is just a big beamu is what lets it harm Sefar.
So p damn s m r t higashide p damn s m r t foreshadowing

Was that was a misunderstanding?

[Deathhappens]

Misremembered the "designed" part but this was the quote I was thinking of from this forum.



Was that was a misunderstanding?

You misunderstood what You said, yes. Sefar has an anti-civilization defense, so "complicated" stuff like magical spells and NPs bounce off. But plain old energy beamus still work just fine.

[RoydGolden]

You misunderstood what You said, yes. Sefar has an anti-civilization defense, so "complicated" stuff like magical spells and NPs bounce off. But plain old energy beamus still work just fine.

But doesn't that imply VS is a "plain old energy beamu" instead of carrying a "complicated" concept like opposing gods? That's how I read You's post anyways.

[Comun]

Vasavi Shakti is a lightning spear with a concept. The concept does nothing against Sefar, but the lightning spear does something.

[RoydGolden]

Vasavi Shakti is a lightning spear with a concept. The concept does nothing against Sefar, but the lightning spear does something.

Ah, so carrying a concept doesn't mean the whole attack gets invalidated, just the conceptual part. It's not an all-or-nothing thing then. It does sound like at the time You wrote his post he thought VS didn't have a concept though.