damnitOriginally Posted by forumghost
In addition to what neveron said, I think you might also be overestimating the rate at which mystery degrades. Something like the body isn't mystical anymore because EVERYONE knows how it works. Just because there are like 3 different Tamamos in Chaldea who might all know the same mysteries probably wouldn't matter much, considering there are a BUNCH of magi who all know the same stuff.
Maybe im overthinking this, maybe iunno anymore
Servants being inhuman is a bit of a repeated theme. The main thing is a larger theme of "the dead don't have a say in how the world works anymore", which contrasts with the Servants who get incarnated and immediately decide that they have a say again (e.g. Gilgamesh, Amakusa, Solomon, various post-winning plans like Iskander's WW3 reunion tour). I haven't read it, but I also heard something about how that one Dantes' short story makes a point about how Servants are just as inhuman as Dead Apostles?
They're ghosts. They're still people, sure, but so are vampires and homunculi and dragons and gods and they don't get to rule the world either; the world quite literally belongs to humanity now, and humanity's collective unconsciousness will reshape it as it will. Ghosts aren't human, aren't even alive, so they aren't part of all that.
I guess a Servant could fuck stuff up by intentionally spreading knowledge or something (e.g. Paracelsus), but one Servant would be more than enough to do that and summoning more would just shorten the publishing time (unless too many cooks spoil the broth, which wouldn't be unlikely given the egos involved).
If someone tells you that "the dead don't have a say in how the world works anymore" you should simply kill them and see how they feel about it
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
Except if you kill someone you're violating their rights while they're still alive, not after they're dead. Living people have a desire not to die, but dead people don't have a desire to live. Personally I do believe that dead people's desires (more accurately, living people's desires concerning things that happen after they die) matter morally to at least some extent. Otherwise it's hard to see how you could justify condemning, say, necrophilia, if not based on a person's right over what happens to their body after death, or for that matter why wills have any legitimacy whatsoever when the writer is no longer alive to enforce them. But your argument doesn't really prove anything on its own.
"I'll kill you first".
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Medea's magic wasn't strictly hers in the first place. She studied it at the Temple of Hecate, and it was just a part of her general education. It stands for a reason to assume that a handful of people could do the same even in the AoG - at least in theory.
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Also consider what AoG magic is. Divine words are a contract with gods to use a small bit of their authority so when you say X, X magic happens.
Here's a question, I don't remember what a person who is possessed by a servant is called, like Jeanne in Apocrypha or Ishtarin, but with he pre-allowance that people have different "scores" for their potential of being a vessel to a heroic spirit, would the direct descendant of a heroic spirit have high compatability with the heroic spirit from which they descend? And are there any examples of this occuring, or being implied to have occurred in the Type Moon Universe? Thank you.
Most of the examples are due to similar personalities, like Ishtar and Rin. We see a possible example of a Heroic Spirit possessing their descendant when Sengo Muramasa wonders if Shirou is related to him, but it isn't presented as a definite, it's just Muramasa wondering since he thinks people he knew in life would mistake Shirou for him.
It's called a Pseudo-Servant btw.
Does Jeanne even count as a pseudo-servant? I thought her's was a different thing.
here is a list of my servant sheets(new and improved format for my servant sheets)
Come explore the White Library, and reach the bottom of this Abyss
Fate / White Memoria
The term didn't exist yet when Apo was written so she wasn't outright called one, but the situation seems exactly the same to me so I'd say yes.
It's not the same though, Pseudo-Servants are summoned with someone's body, but Jeanne is just possession. The body was already there.
She's more like Demi-Servants than Pseudo-Servants.
A Demi-Servant is a fusion rather than possession, to the point that Galahad chose to stay in Mash because if he left she would die, so I don't agree that it was much like Laeticia's situation.
Laeticia may have already been there instead of coming into existence with Jeanne's summoning but otherwise the situation seems more like a Pseudo than Demi. Besides that Jeanne could leave her body without repercussions, there's also the way Laeiticia affected Jeanne's personality so that she was awkward around boys, similar to Rin's influence mellowing out Ishtar. I don't recall Galahad affecting Mash's personality, or Cu affecting Rin in LE.
Galahad does influence Mash around those he cares about though.
Anyway, she's neither of them so there's not much use in arguing which one is more similar.
Does anyone have some ideas about how many copies of Mahoyo was sold?
I guess a direct descendant would be the ideal vessel for a Pseudo-Servant but only if said descendant is part of the very limited pool of possible vessels. Basically, only "people whose lives were twisted by the Holy Grail" are available as vessel and the vessel potential is proportional to the amount of twisting. For example, Illya's life was twisted by the Grail so hard that she gets 3 Servants on the same vessel (Sitonai+Louhi+Freya). Similarly, Sakura and Rin get two goddesses each (Space Ishtar and BB's family don't count) while Waver gets just a guy.
Didn't Waver/Zhuge Liang use his second NP to make the still-living Luvia and Reines into Psuedo-Servants in the Case Files collaboration event? I only read the barest of summaries for that one, though, so maybe I'm remembering wrong.
Gray seems like she'd be an ideal vessel for King Arthur, I guess. (I guess an even more ideal vessel would be summoning yourself, but there's a very small list of people who could do that and also have it be an upgrade.)
Is there anything particularly special about Nero's sword?
You can rev it like a chainsaw, that's pretty special
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書，處則充棟宇，出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
it broke galatine
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