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[madarra]

Independent Manifestation says Fuck your paradox.

He most likely deleted all the post earth creation time trunks... If there even are any... We still dunno who's handleing the time trunks and its hard to say its the collective unconscious when talking about pre earth

[Reverse_side98]

Isnt independent manifestation just glorified summoning?

And it still works in a multiverse setting if only to create new timelines and changing events. Of course changing events wouldn't retcon off wherever they came from initially

[You]

The birth of a single planet in the vast universe is hardly a time without paradoxes tho. Now if he went to something like the Root per say that might actually make sense

TM timelines are planet/dominate species specific. It's Alaya that manages timelines for our solar system

Although the Incineration of Humanity by the King of Mages was by one individual, the Pruning Phenomenon is “a page burned by the consensus of the entirety of humankind, performed by human history itself”)

If you go back in time to a time when the planet did not exist, then you reach a time when timelines did not exist.

[madarra]

Isnt independent manifestation just glorified summoning?

And it still works in a multiverse setting if only to create new timelines and changing events. Of course changing events wouldn't retcon off wherever they came from initially

The skill calls out time paradoxes so whatever it is, itll work

[AAM1232]

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Goetia's incineration is only within its specific Time Tree, since Prillya wasn't affected by it.

[Reign]

What's weird is I think FSF wasn't affected despite being a Fate world, since doesn't Ishtar there imply she stole Gugalanna from the Babylonia Singularity?

[Comun]

FWIW FSF is the middle of the fence timeline. Heroic Spirits summoning and DAA coexisting.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Remake spoilers

If a DAA from Tsuki:Re were to somehow be summoned in a Fate world, would their Idea Blood be disabled by the strong Human Order? Saber seems to be doing just fine in Melty Blood despite being a Ghost Liner.

[Mattias]

Even having just rewatched all the xmen movies (feel for me) I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but I'll assume you mean in the sense that time is a solid/one single linear timeline. In that case, no, that's usually not how the nasuverse operates. Choices sprout off into their own timelines and branches (though not necessarily every little choice, I guess, who knows) but the universe doesn't allow an infinite selection of timelines to exist. Instead, what happens is that the ones who are closest to each other are grouped together to form a "trunk" (in the sense that all timelines are part of a "Tree of Time"), and then any new timelines will stem from the choices established in that trunk. Sort of like when they make a sequel to an RPG but but they base the canon choices of the first game on what most people picked, so even though your playthrough had entirely different choices, now when you play the second game you have to base it on the "collectively" selected choices.
Any other timelines that don't fit into this for various reasons (too divergent, or too stagnated) get removed entirely.

That actually is how MCU works as revealed in Loki. Only instead of the world pruning the timelines, its Owen Wilson.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Quick question, but since the Tsuki world - Fate world divergence happened in 325 CE, before King Arthur's time, and in MB: Type Lumina, the Artoria summoned is explicitly from a Fate world, does that mean King Arthur never actually existed in Tsuki worlds?

[Ideofago]

I don't think that's necessarily the case, merely that king arthur's schnozz didn't go on to make her a heroic spirit.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

King Arthur was never a true Heroic Spirit, though, even in Fate worlds.

[Comun]

Her not being a Heroic Spirit is just a technicality. The point is that there was no Throne of Heroes for her to make her pact with, so she just died and that was it.

There's no reason to assume that people who are famous in Fate/ worlds didn't become famous in Tsukihime worlds. Shiki even namedrops Nightingale in the remake.

[Ideofago]

Yeah, I don't see why the lack of Heroic Spirits means the lack of such legends in the first place, merely that all magic around it just isn't there.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Her not being a Heroic Spirit is just a technicality. The point is that there was no Throne of Heroes for her to make her pact with, so she just died and that was it.

There's no reason to assume that people who are famous in Fate/ worlds didn't become famous in Tsukihime worlds. Shiki even namedrops Nightingale in the remake.

The other reason I thought that is because no one seemed to truly recognize Excalibur for what it was, including Roa and Arc, though Arc had some idea of the sword's true nature. I wondered if Excalibur's legend wasn't as strong, though now I see that's probably not the case.

[Ideofago]

I think it's just that she spent most of the fight with it hidden, and that an excalibur is not necessarily the most recognizable thing. Depictions varying wildly, and all that. Plus, everyone in Stay Night was at hair trigger to identify each other so they could know their gameplan, and that's not the case here either.

[AAM1232]

King Arthur was never a true Heroic Spirit, though, even in Fate worlds.

Not in FGO though, and once you're there you're there.

[Deathhappens]

an excalibur is not necessarily the most recognizable thing.

The point is made several times, in both Zero and SN, that "no Heroic Spirit who has ever fought hoping for victory could ever fail to recognise Excalibur's golden radiance" (which is why Saber keeps it completely invisible compared to Lancer running around with Gae Bolg out in the open or Zero Lancer slapping some masking tape on Gae Dearg and Gae Buidhe). Of course, Arc and Roa aren't Heroic Spirits, but the description certainly seems to imply Excalibur is meant to be instantly identifiable to everyone who sees it.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Especially since Roa is this archmage who has deep knowledge of most of the Nasuverse, though he probably has his blind spots/weaknesses, and Arc outright identified the sword as kin. Speaking of Arc, I actually think it makes more sense that she's not aware of what a human hero did with a sword that was forged well before her time, considering she barely interacts with society as is.

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Also, Artoria goes to Avalon regardless of timeline, so I find it kinda weird that the Counter Force in Melty Blood didn't summon Tsuki Artoria from Avalon, unless the Tsuki world Counter Force doesn't even have the concept/template of a Ghost Liner to summon.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Remake spoilers

If a DAA from Tsuki:Re were to somehow be summoned in a Fate world, would their Idea Blood be disabled by the strong Human Order? Saber seems to be doing just fine in Melty Blood despite being a Ghost Liner.

Asking this again.