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    Incompatible is otherwise a very fitting term all things considered.
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    Wars between Lostbelts would have been sick.
    I'm very disappointed this plot point was completely dropped. Would've loved to see those very different histories interact, instead of it always being PHH vs Lostbelt.

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    I don't think it would have actually happened, even without chaldea interference.
    Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.

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    It seems the whole point is for the LBs to slowly expand and overwrite the blank world, so they should eventually have begun to interact once LB5 began encroaching on the territory of any that didn't self-destruct. Whether the Alien God wants that to happen or if they'd be all wiped out to be supplanted by something else is another question.

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    You know, at the end of the day I just sort of imagined that once the Alien God manifested in Olympus, she'd just stop giving a shit about her deal with Kirsch for his friends to get a chance because then they would have already obviously lost, and she would've just taken out the remaining lostbelts on her own with her pseudo-black hole stuff and whatnot, so it would have never gotten to the point where they would have clashed. But I guess we'll never know.
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    The whole Lostbelt narrative was like a giant Holy Grail War with realities instead of Servants, and like the original one it was a scam since the beginning.
    (also, like the original, a story about a straight up war it's more interesting in theory than in practice).
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    Because you are too young. Or too stupid. Or both.

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    Are magical binding oaths or contracts a thing, just something i had a thought of just now with the whole idea of alien god betraying the deal

    EDIT: yeah they are, geases and what kiritusgu used in zero

    then again why make a contract that hurts you when youri n the position of power

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    What Kiritsugu used is explicitly a geas, pattern-wise. I guess it is pretty notable in that it seems to be very universally replicable, rather than having to learn the entirety of magecraft with runes from the ground up first.

    The reason why you'd use that kind of contract is that a 'vow' has always been something that that empowers you in various mythologies all the way up to Christianity. A Xia protagonist buffing himself up through celibate is not that different from an abrahamic monk/prophet/saint, which is not that different from a celtic warrior. In some cultures it's just a subset of general law. The result is that making people break their vows nerfs them, but you can arrive to the reason the vow exists from a few directions. I guess in general Nasuverse sense you could theorycraft that there's power in being a more clearly defined person with less freedom to do stupid things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lily Emilio View Post
    I think you need to reread that part of the chapter. The fake Shadow Borders he created are mere normal armored combat vehicles, tax collection tanks. Those were completely destroyed easily by our servants. They might have the looks of the Shadow Border, but according to Da Vinci and Holmes they lack the durability and the technology required to survive the Zero Sail, something crucial to break outside of the storm wall surrounding the LB using the Imaginary Number dive. Those ripoff Shadow Borders are pretty much trash in this regard. There is no retcon because it is impossible to smuggle people outside of the storm wall with neither the real Border + the fakes.
    Right, I did check and it seems I'd forgotten that they didn't get access to the Zero Sail capabilities, but they do still mention he'd be able to get outside with it. One would expect even if they didn't survive a Zero sail for a start QSH would just keep improving them.

    Here's the bit I was thinking about:

    Goredolf
    And because of that, we're still the only ones with the ability to Zero Sail between Lostbelts as we please,
    but–
    Meunière
    If one of the Lostbelts had the Border, they'd have a serious leg up over the others, huh.
    Meunière
    Damn, I can't believe this Qin Shi Huang was thinking that far ahead.
    Holmes
    Indeed. Though all of this assumes that China does indeed have all the other nations under its rule.
    Goredolf
    ...Hmm. Then once Qin Shi Huang ventures outside this Lostbelt, the first move they make will be to go on the attack against other Lostbelts rather than Chaldea.
    I suppose it does depend on what exactly they mean when they say "once Qin Shi Huang ventures outside" if they mean when QSH sends a drone he controls himself outside or if it just means his forces. They mention it'd be the case for any LB anyway so that point probably doesn't matter. Still I don't really see a reason for why a person piloting/riding in a makeshift shadow border would disappear once they left the LB yet their ride doesn't.

    EDIT: Did they ever say that we couldn't take people from a Lostbelt with us in the SB? I thought they had but I can't find a quote.
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    So we've probably already talked about it, but I forget: If Touko's goal is to recreate the perfect body, and she gives up on that in a Tsuki timeline because TA's already exist in that niche, what is she up to? Is she one of those mages trying to become a DA? Experimenting on DA to turn them into TA's? Just mass producing glasses that block psychic powers for no reason?

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    Oh? I guess this explains why we see more of Touko in Fate world-setting works. She is still trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattias View Post
    So we've probably already talked about it, but I forget: If Touko's goal is to recreate the perfect body, and she gives up on that in a Tsuki timeline because TA's already exist in that niche, what is she up to? Is she one of those mages trying to become a DA? Experimenting on DA to turn them into TA's? Just mass producing glasses that block psychic powers for no reason?
    In LB3 you have QSH trying very hard to study and replicate a TA body because it's effectively the same as a Xian's body and I don't remember the exact details but the idea I guess is just that they are such perfect beings in body alone that if you really pushed it then it would in itself be a path to the root.
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    So if she met Yu Meiren, she would give up in the same fashion?

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    I mean, most likely? That statement was made way long ago so doubt knockoff-brand TA were even a consideration, but seeing as it got the same kind of hype from QSH I would assume it's effectively the same.
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    What was the actual statement again? What it sounds like from the conversation here doesn't match what I remember it being.

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    Speaking of things being reconsidered ex-post-facto:

    All this stuff now about the trees being simulators reminds me of the odd way Femme Fatale worked, where Rin was put in a simulation where it says she experienced what Sakura had to go through from her perspective. That you'd need something like a IN generating device to enter a simulation checks off the boxes in my head.
    If LB6 became real from just being allowed to exist in a vacuum of 2000 years without being autocorrected, does that in fact mean if you had the time, power, and ability to create a simulation in INS you could make it real at one point?
    I'm navel gazing, but I thought back to things like how GudaGuda's Final Honnoji was a big simulation that had the potential to become real via technology. Does that then mean its theoretically possible to just make new realities from simulated data, wait awhile, make it a singularity and then bam, have a new history?
    Or is it a requirement that you'd need to turn the Earth into a blank template for that. Could you not with enough power just make a new planet and wouldn't need the Earth, or does it need that empty framework with a bleached earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    What was the actual statement again? What it sounds like from the conversation here doesn't match what I remember it being.
    The Touko statement or the QSH statement?
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    Touko's.

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    It feels weird that TA would stop touko, couldnt she just 'crib the notes' so to speak? of a TA body

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    Clearly it just means that the presence of the True Ancestors simply means Touko is pursuing a perfect body in a... different context.

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