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[Ratman]

Something that I've seen floating around recently:'Gil as an Archer is from before he's hunted for the herb of immortality or in mid process. And saying that Caster Gil is the one from after and that's why they're different.'

What's the verdict on this? I've seen people pulling mats from Caster Gil's Mats as proof its true.

Obviously he's sharper when he's doing the heavy lifting and fighting or shortly thereafter, than when he is the washed up statesman. This isn't Dragonball.

Also, the caster container sucks and assigns Gil things and stats that are not so immediately practical. As a general rule it seems that servants summoned in a HGW just get all of their NPs, no matter how many, unless there is a good reason why they should not have them. This isn't the case in FGO, and chances are that a properly summoned and not literally in the flesh Caster Gil still gets proper GoB and Ea by extension. He will still suck with them because he's a twig compared to his years of Chading around.

Or wait, are you actually asking about the background? Did you not read Babylonia?

[dragonwarz50]

Obviously he's sharper when he's doing the heavy lifting and fighting or shortly thereafter, than when he is the washed up statesman. This isn't Dragonball.

Also, the caster container sucks and assigns Gil things and stats that are not so immediately practical. As a general rule it seems that servants summoned in a HGW just get all of their NPs, no matter how many, unless there is a good reason why they should not have them. This isn't the case in FGO, and chances are that a properly summoned and not literally in the flesh Caster Gil still gets proper GoB and Ea by extension. He will still suck with them because he's a twig compared to his years of Chading around.

Or wait, are you actually asking about the background? Did you not read Babylonia?

I'm talking about the servant versions. People are saying 'archer gil is pre-epic of gilgamesh and caster gil is after he returns home after getting robbed by the snake'

I've been seeing it and my immediate response is 'that doesn't sound quite right'

[Ratman]

That's basically the entire premise of Caster Gil, as he is presented, existing in the first place, yes. The fact that it says so in his profile is basically redundant, it's 100% obvious and stated in story.

It gets slightly tricky in that Archer Gil is aware of how he lived and died, but this is still the complete opening introductory statement of the character of Caster Gil. This is hardly subject to discussion, it's the first thing to know about him.

[falseCeilings]

I feel like the biggest nerf to Caster Gil if he were summoned in a proper HGW would be worse stats, which, due to the nature of his NP(s), wouldn't matter that much.

Archer Gil is aware of his whole life, the same as any other class (unless you want to discount a potential mindless Berseker). Different classes do tend to emphasise some parts of a HS's personality more than others, but I feel Gil is one of those who wouldn't be affected by this. In Babylonia you meet an actual ruling Gilgamesh concerned with Uruk. If you incarnated Caster Gil in Fuyuki, he'd still be equally annoyed by the state of the world - that he qualifies for Caster because he used to be a wise king who happens to own a bunch of magic items wouldn't really matter.

[Kotonoha]

Yeah I don't think you can say Archer Gil is "pre-epic of Gilgamesh" considering he talks as though he's experienced the events of it. It's more the difference between him ruling in his own time period vs being summoned into another one.

[Reign]

I just assumed Archer Gil knowing about post-Epic events is like Medea Lily knowing how things will go with Jason. Even though they were summoned "before" that they still have memories of their entire life but their personalities reflect the age their Servant container put them in.

[Kotonoha]

Medea Lily is a bit more detached about it though, whereas Gil makes it more clear that he has experienced and been shaped by things like the immortality quest.

Hell Kid Gil exists and doesn't really do that.

[neveron]

Wasn't there an entire thing with Kid Gil where Gilgamesh losts the immortality herb to the snake but then after the Epic he went off-screen and got another one and that's why he can turn into Kid Gil after Fate/Zero?

If Gil really has to be from a specific point in time, it's probably from pretty close to the end of the Epic but before he came back and became a more serious ruler. Or not.

[CO9p5JMGv!p9]

(servant) caster gil is almost the same as CCC gil (who isn't technically an archer)
servant containers and classes are almost like caricatures of people due to the way they influence the summoned spirit into a certain mindset. they shouldn't be mistaken for the original person.

[Blastedspider]

Gilgamesh just thinks that early 2000s were a shitty time period.

[Reign]

Do we know anything more about the causes of the Evil Dragon Phenomenon than just being greedy? Because there's a lot of greedy people but not a lot of Fafnirs.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Gilgamesh just thinks that early 2000s were a shitty time period.

I mean, who wouldn't think that on some level?

[Walnut Sparks]

Dammit, Dubya.

[Comun]

Do we know anything more about the causes of the Evil Dragon Phenomenon than just being greedy? Because there's a lot of greedy people but not a lot of Fafnirs.

Maybe being the greediest? Considering Gotterdamerung significantly lowered the bar for becoming Fafnir by removing the concept of greed as far as it could.

[Blastedspider]

Was Circe mentioned in the F/SN? I could swear Medea or someone else talks about her or someone heavily implied to be her in one of Tiger Doujos or some other scene, but can't find it in Let's play archive. Perhaps it was in Ataraxia?

[Leftovers]

Perhaps you're thinking of Hecate.

"...Yes. She is the witch of betrayal, Medea.
An anti-hero revered as the enemy of humanity."

I recall the myth.
The princess of sorcery who received the teachings of the great witch.
The cunning witch behind the demise of many countries in the Age of Gods,

Princess Medea.
The daughter of Aeëtes, the King of Colchis, the "edge of the east" of the Greek world on the eastern coast of the Black sea.
A sorceress who received the teachings of Hecate, goddess of magic, a princess who led a sheltered life as a king's daughter.

[...]

It did not take long for Jason to prepare the assassination.
The king and his daughters were invited to Jason's house.
In the center was the witch's cauldron.
The girl has been bestowed it by the great witch Hecate, a crystallization of secrets in the foundation of mysteries.

[Blastedspider]

That's probably not it. Is there a scene there Medea talks about her younger days? She might address her as a sempai instead of dropping the name or something like that.

[Comun]

No, she called Circe "oba-sama", at least in FGO.

[KiraWins]

Did nasu sell the rights to fate? j/w how stuff like apocrypha and prisma illya get made without his consent, unless he did consent to that stuff and im just unaware.

[AmADo VII]

Did nasu sell the rights to fate? j/w how stuff like apocrypha and prisma illya get made without his consent, unless he did consent to that stuff and im just unaware.

writer: can I make Fate spin-off?

Kinoko: yes

there's no way he didn't know, and all co-writers are his friend.