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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    He was Makiri Zolgen, the last true heir of the Zolgen Family from Kiev, but after he went to Japan, he reversed which was his first vs last name, and went native as Matou Zouken/Zouken Matou.

    Ah, thanks very much.

    I was doing some digging on my own, if GO is anything to go by, he was still going by Makiri Zolgen in 1888, so wouldn't that be after the second grail war in Japan? Course, this is in a reality where the first and only grail war in Fuyuki happened in 2004... Bleh, why can't anything be consistent, I'm just trying to research for a fanfiction. XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Ah, thanks very much.

    I was doing some digging on my own, if GO is anything to go by, he was still going by Makiri Zolgen in 1888, so wouldn't that be after the second grail war in Japan? Course, this is in a reality where the first and only grail war in Fuyuki happened in 2004... Bleh, why can't anything be consistent, I'm just trying to research for a fanfiction. XD
    Wait, wasn't that during the London Singularity? I thought during that event, a younger Makiri was brought over and possessed by a Demon Pillar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    skilled magi can hang around for about 200 years and look fairly normal. there are various methods of doing this. araya is an example. alba a lesser case; he is about 60 but (in the novel, not the movie) uses a glamour to look like a 20 year old bishounen. go too far past 200 ish and your soul starts to rot. this is zouken's problem. it's nothing to do with the grail, he's just hung around for too long

    you can still drink milk a day or two after the use-by, but after two weeks it'll be pretty dire
    I thought Araya also had transferred his consciousness to puppets like Touko, but to a lesser extent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    skilled magi can hang around for about 200 years and look fairly normal.
    Isn't the Clock Tower director 2000 years old, but not a vampire?

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    implying the clock tower director is just a skilled magus and not Literally Jesus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattias View Post
    Isn't the Clock Tower director 2000 years old, but not a vampire?
    His teacher died in 960BC, so a lot closer to 3000 than 2000.

    Assuming not Jesus, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    His teacher died in 960BC, so a lot closer to 3000 than 2000.

    Assuming not Jesus, of course.
    I thought Yumina was more like Jesus?

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    Also, wasn't the Director's teacher Solomon, or is that just fanon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dullahan View Post
    zouken is about 500 years old. therefore if he was born in KIJEVAS he was born as a subject of the GRAND DVCHY OF LITHVANIA which he remains to this day
    With that in mind, he or his forebears might have been voting members of the sejm in the Commonwealth.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    Director's teacher was Solomon, so assuming that's literal and not like a "follows Solomon's philosophy but never met him" kind of thing, he's closer to 3000 years old than 2000.

    Yumina is the name of a Magician who mages learn about once they reach Cause rank, and that's all we know for certain. Probably
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    successor/heir who is said to be barely living. The other option is she's the Fourth but that would require Nasu retconning his old statement that the Fourth Magician's identity is unknown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Wait, wasn't that during the London Singularity? I thought during that event, a younger Makiri was brought over and possessed by a Demon Pillar?
    It's unclear if he was brought to that time, or native to it. I assume that in the GO universe he was in London in 1888 in order to trigger Barbatos and get ganked by Ritsuka which is part of how the GO timeline differs since he apparently became a pawn of Goetia the same way Lev did instead of becoming one of the three founders, so it took an extra two hundred years to even get the first grail war off the ground. At least that's what I'm guessing. Whether this is true or not, I'm sure somebody else knows better than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    Wait, wasn't that during the London Singularity? I thought during that event, a younger Makiri was brought over and possessed by a Demon Pillar?

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    Either works.

    The first HGW in GO verse is 2004 so Zouken wouldn't have to be in Japan in 1888 GOverse.
    If he was shifted then anything is possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You View Post


    Either works.

    The first HGW in GO verse is 2004 so Zouken wouldn't have to be in Japan in 1888 GOverse.
    If he was shifted then anything is possible.
    Thanks. That does leave more questions than answers, I suppose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    It's unclear if he was brought to that time, or native to it. I assume that in the GO universe he was in London in 1888 in order to trigger Barbatos and get ganked by Ritsuka which is part of how the GO timeline differs since he apparently became a pawn of Goetia the same way Lev did instead of becoming one of the three founders, so it took an extra two hundred years to even get the first grail war off the ground. At least that's what I'm guessing. Whether this is true or not, I'm sure somebody else knows better than me.
    I thought the Three Founders still laid the groundwork for the Heaven's Feel in the 1790s in the GO time tree, but for some reason never got around to a proper ritual until 2004?
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    I don't think we know for sure but that's at least what I assumed.

    The alternative would be Tokiomi or Rin filling Nagato's role for some reason.

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    And Justeaze could easily fulfill the same role so long as she never left the Einzbern Castle beforehand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattias View Post
    Isn't the Clock Tower director 2000 years old, but not a vampire?
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    "If only there were no Lords this place would be pretty liveable, pointless though it is to hope. They're even more stubborn than the vampire knockoff that's been running the Clock Tower for nearly a thousand years. Ah, but wasn't El-Melloi ruined? And I've heard the Mineralogy top brass have changed too."
    Maybe, maybe not

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    Quote Originally Posted by alienncoww View Post
    Maybe, maybe not
    Clock Tower 2015 is in a Tsukihime world, though, so it's unlikely he's a vampire in Fate worlds. Heck, if Zelrecht isn't a vampire in Fate worlds, the Director almost certainly isn't.

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    Besides, he's called a vampire knock-off, not even a vampire, and this is in Tsuki worlds, where Dead Apostles trump the Human Order.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    Is there any sort of timelines around for the various works?
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    You mean for all collectively or for each individual one?
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    CF mats had a Mage's Association timeline but I'm not sure if that's what you're asking for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zork Knight View Post
    Jeanne and Georgios are heroes, Amakusa and Molay are villains, and Martha is comic relief
    It's somewhat worth noting that Jeanne is a later-day Catholic Church saint and I don't even know which denominations have recognized Amakusa as a bona fide Saint, whereas St.George predates the Schism and Martha literally spoke with Jesus in person (even if she wasn't one of His students).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    It's somewhat worth noting that Jeanne is a later-day Catholic Church saint and I don't even know which denominations have recognized Amakusa as a bona fide Saint, whereas St.George predates the Schism and Martha literally spoke with Jesus in person (even if she wasn't one of His students).
    It was more about primarily-Christian figures in general than just Saints.

    I guess David also counts for having retroactive Divinity from Jesus?

    Oh right, there's also Karl from Extella. How is he, again? Not very Christian, from what I recall

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    Longinus is a pretty good dude too but a) I don't know if he's actually Christian himself or just revered by them and b) since I expect Chitose to be Requiem's final boss he'll probably become an antagonist for Erice down the line.

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