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    Do we know all the sources/types of magecraft? I remember Fairy Cup gave us the four main ones of regular magecraft (presumably Goetia related stuff), philosophy keys, egyptian magecraft and runes. Do we know of others? Do the magics count as separate ones? And what about Buddhism and Christianity, do they have their own ones or do they borrow from others?

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    Even in the 'western' traditions there are a bunch of schools. Touko lists kabbalah and alchemy (both of which we know are part of the western canon of magecraft), for example, in addition to astrology, xian stuff and runes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kara no Kyoukai
    アストロロジー、アルケミー、カバラ、神仙道、ルーン、数え上げたらきりがない研究者達。
    Katatsuki Kouhon has mentions of runes and kabbalah again, but also includes '呪術', which I translated as hexcraft. It's the thing Tamamo uses. Most interestingly it mentions 'black' and 'white', which I imagine was to be appended like "black magecraft" (which is witchcraft, as explained in proto) and "white magecraft", but the latter is unknown so far and no explanation or elaboration is provided.
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    One of Geronimo's skills explains that the Apache tribe makes contracts with spirits for their magecraft.
    Japanese magecraft is explained in El-Melloi Adventures as making connections with the remains of kami, similar to Age of Gods style.
    And Arc says she doesn't know a lot about South American style which implies it's its own thing.

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    Probably yin and yang. Onmyouji means yin-yang master. Strangely, I found that out from a chinese movie.



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    Then there’s Middle Eastern primeval curses, Tine’s assimilation with the land, Nzambi’s African sorcery, the South American treasures Arcueid isn’t ready for, etc.

    Also Australia exists but we were never given a hint of what an Australian mage would have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comun View Post
    Also Australia exists
    Biggest twist in MBTL

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    I have some bad news about Australian mages
    かん
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    じゅう
    とう

    Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
    Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
    At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
    Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
    Source: 柳宗元「其為書,處則充棟宇,出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty


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    Maybe David Bluebook can tell us about the Aussies

    Quote Originally Posted by SIN intro
    I never expected this solar generator to work this well or for this long. It proved you can ride an old motorcycle from Australia to North America as long as you have a surface to ride on and a solid engine.

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    I've always assumed the different types of magecraft were something like Paradigms from Mage: The Ascension, though without all the Consensus shenanigans. I guess you could just see it as a parallel to real-world academic/scholarly traditions, though.

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    What about the church? Does what they use count as magecraft even if they don't call it that?

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    Yes.

    How exactly it works is a bit ambiguous still though.

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    It is obviously the miracles of the Our Lord and Savior, thou shall not question it. Praise be.

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    They use different terminology right? Like they don't call magic circuits "magic circuits"?

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    Yep.
    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post

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    Nothing for Magic Circuit? The closest I could find was "the right to recreate the miracles in the divine sacrament" in Kotomine's case, but that's mouthful.



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    I find interesting how Ciel changes the "mode" of the Seventh Scripture from criticism of reincarnation to "New Testament Angelology" when fihhting Arc. Why would giving the weapon angel properties make it more effective against Arc? Are angels a thing in TM works? Where do they come from?
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Are angels a thing in TM works?
    do you remember 'Angel' notes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    do you remember 'Angel' notes?
    Oh, the A-Rays... Though I wonder how those could relate to the Church. I don't think that's where the Scripture draws power from.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

    Tsukihime 2 Prelude III

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notes
    天使 [No.20 Guardian Angel]
    Artificial angels within the Hundred A-rays. The 20th species within the 100, but it is equal to the top 10 just considering its power to destroy objects. A mass that protects a single A-ray species. The original is an angel in the largest religion of the old age. A human type that has a pair of bird wings.
    Just a speculation and wild guessing.
    A-Rays are said to be made by humans using the last of planet's resources. If we were to assume said "resources" come from the Inner Sea of The Planet, considering it's the very last before planet's death, then both them and Arcueid came from the same source. This might explain how an angelic Conceptual Weapon could affect Arcueid.



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