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[sherlock1110]

Is there any Bad End where Gilgamesh actually beats Shirou instead?

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I have played it (well, partly), but never got all the Bad Ends...

[sherlock1110]

I have played it (well, partly), but never got all the Bad Ends...

shh... I wanted my moment

[fumei]

And Gil would win like 99/100 times iirc, but... well you know

But Gilgamesh was already fighting seriously by that point. I mean, yeah it was a case of too little, too late, and we always joke about Shounen powah!, DETERMINATION, and so on and so forth, but I think that if there were such a difference (again, speaking only in terms of firing speed and power), the narration would have taken that more into account.

IIRC there's an interview somewhere that mentions that Shirou beating Gil is the culmination of a bunch of coincidences gone right - basically it's a one in a million thing, even if he has UBW. Can't for the life of me remember where that was, though...

[Zurvan]

I remember the same thing, only it seems the odds were even worse

I'll see if I can dig it up somewhere

[GundamFSN]

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[Zurvan]

Praise You

Thanks Gundam

[fumei]

Domo

Seems I paraphrased a bit from memory, but same meaning, really

[Akanzara]

Is there any Bad End where Gilgamesh actually beats Shirou instead?

There is one in Fate, I think
And the suicide/kamikaze/take-him-with-me thing at the end of UBW, if you want to count it.

[castor212]

Question, guys that attain divinehood after death like Karna and Herc

when summoned as Servant do they count in bypassing Ramesseum check of NP seal?

[Iceblade44]

I would think so since they did become Gods and that was the restriction yes?

[Asunder]

They should, A rank divinity is supposed to mean that they became a god and should at least meet the strong connection to divinity requirement.

[castor212]

strong connection to divinity requirement.

uh this isnt the requirement tho

the req is not strong connection but

Lancer’s Noble Phantasm was originally the property of some god somewhere, or Lancer herself was a sort of powerful divine spirit originally,

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I would think so since they did become Gods and that was the restriction yes?

ye so i dunno if this counts or not but this makes Herc/Karna soloing Temple of Doom suddenly much more feasible in my mind.

[Zurvan]

If the wording is that: "Once was a divine spirit" like you said
Then I don't see why Karna or Herc wouldn't bypass it.

[fumei]

uh this isnt the requirement tho

the req is not strong connection but

Seems to me like an inference though. It's saying that either the NP being related to a god or Bryn herself being divine caused the seal to fail, which hints at the requirement being a connection to divinity. And if some spear taken from a god can break it, I don't see why someone who became a divine being after death couldn't

[castor212]

the np has to be originaly a god's, not related to god

[castor212]

also, another one that goes to my mind

Ea has this desc: A powerful attack that can only be stopped by armors of the anti-purge class

and Ramesseum has anti-purge defense

does that mean RT can actually, to an extent, defend aaginst Ea?

[Altaris]

You gotta ask Ozy for that, because he didn't explain shit during Camelot

[You]

also, another one that goes to my mind

Ea has this desc: A powerful attack that can only be stopped by armors of the anti-purge class

and Ramesseum has anti-purge defense

does that mean RT can actually, to an extent, defend aaginst Ea?

yeah probably
it's not like its going to be a detriment to have the thing that says it can defend against Ea in your temple.

But at the same time RT is also a RM so Anti-World stuff.

[castor212]

sothe usual ?????