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    what games and anime has gram appeared in before is something to check

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byegod View Post
    what games and anime has gram appeared in before is something to check
    Feel free to do so...

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    Can Servant fights/functions underwater? Assuming they don't have skills that related with water and surviving it.


    Edit: I heard from someone that Paracelsus once has a water cage spell in Prototype Fragment. Which chapter is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Can Servant fights/functions underwater? Assuming they don't have skills that related with water and surviving it.


    Edit: I heard from someone that Paracelsus once has a water cage spell in Prototype Fragment. Which chapter is that?
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    I see, thanks

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    Could Solomon learn Magic theorically? Nasu did say Medea couldn't learn Magic, but the kind of magecraft she uses is different from Solomon's. Also, Zelretch who is from the same age created the second Magic.

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    When you think about it, nobody could theoretically learn magic.
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    Is there any evidence in favor of the argument claiming that things have lots of mystery precisely because they have tons of magical energy? Or is it just a matter of correlation not equating causation and something can have high mystery yet not have large quantities of magical energy? Older things also tend to have more magical energy but I've never seen the two equated.
    Like Rhongomyniad being called a superior mystery to Wodime’s Ideal Magecraft yet Wodime managing to block it somehow with some random spell.
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    Correlation =/= causation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Is there any evidence in favor of the argument claiming that things have lots of mystery precisely because they have tons of magical energy? Or is it just a matter of correlation not equating causation and something can have high mystery yet not have large quantities of magical energy? Older things also tend to have more magical energy but I've never seen the two equated.
    Like Rhongomyniad being called a superior mystery to Wodime’s Ideal Magecraft yet Wodime managing to block it somehow with some random spell.
    Well certain catalysts for servants, like the first snake skin, or the spare treasury key for Gilgamesh would seem pretty mysterious to me, but neither one seemed to possess a lot of magical energy. The depowered Avalon also seemed to fit in this category, not degrading, but also not doing anything without Artoria there to activate it. It could very well be that the reason various catalysts exist until the modern era despite all odds being against them is that they contain mystery, but no particular power or function by themselves. Course this is all hypothetical and actual 100% word of god statements on the matter are lacking to my understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    When you think about it, nobody could theoretically learn magic.
    By magics own definition i think magic is a oddity honestly.

    I mean 1 and 5 fit if its just a root connection manifesting in a certain way, but 2-4 were not derived purely from the root but made to get there. Which raises all sorts of questions as to HOW they got it.

    I mean the third at least for the einzberns was a accident but the 2nd is the big one that scratches my head.

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    I don't know what's a spoiler anymore.
    The second is there to give us the thematic connection of the planet and Arc's what if dream Kino. That's all you need to know.

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    Zelretch probably just followed his Grand Order the way it was supposed to be followed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanaya View Post
    I don't know what's a spoiler anymore.
    The second is there to give us the thematic connection of the planet and Arc's what if dream Kino. That's all you need to know.
    I love this because it literally suggests planets can learn and grow as well. Further evidence Earth is special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    I love this because it literally suggests planets can learn and grow as well. Further evidence Earth is special.
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    Given the connection between dreams and hopes & possibilities, I'm thinking that an Arc that doesn't dream doesn't (solely) reflect her own self but thematically the planet as well. Notes is described as an ultimately hopeless story. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the kind of Bad End we're looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartz View Post
    Is there any evidence in favor of the argument claiming that things have lots of mystery precisely because they have tons of magical energy? Or is it just a matter of correlation not equating causation and something can have high mystery yet not have large quantities of magical energy? Older things also tend to have more magical energy but I've never seen the two equated.
    Like Rhongomyniad being called a superior mystery to Wodime’s Ideal Magecraft yet Wodime managing to block it somehow with some random spell.
    Aoko vs Flat Snark shows that's not the case.
    Ice comet had more mystery than Aoko beam, but since they had equal magical energy, beam pierced through.
    It is therefore possible for something to have a higher mystery but less magical energy.
    So the argument as you've stated it "things have lots of mystery /precisely/ because they have tons of magical energy?" is not true.

    However, the exact relationship between mystery and magical energy is interesting and I don't think is spelled out yet.
    It probably won't be until we learn more about the First.
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    Usually higher mystery do mean higher magical energy or may be better quality?
    Like age of god's true ether is better quality wise whereas Modern day ether is not so pure and probably diluted. Basically calling it fake.
    But if you take enough fake ether , it probably can combat true ether of nominal amount but that would be exception not the rule.

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    Guys, where can i read adventures of El melloi volume 2 chapter 2?
    Also philosophical foundation is literally a copy of the root ? So it can grant you true magic right?

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